On 10/24/06, Anthony D'Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The Scandinavian cases also provide alternatives to both Iran and "left"
view of "feminism."  In Scandinavia children are encouraged both
socially and as part of state policy.  Both parents work: they must
because of high taxes (in addition to women's rights issues) but they are
supported by the state for child care, maternity leave for both parents,
etc.

I agree with you, except that I'd note the limits of gender-neutral
social democratic policy's impact on promoting gender equality in
child care in particular and gender-equal division of labor in general
that I noted in another posting.

Comparing Iran to Sweden as "policy alternatives" really doesn't make
sense, though.  They are on entirely different levels of economic
development.

I would agree with Yoshie that there are wide variety of sentiments
regarding work.  My own significant other did not feel justified
commuting to work, which left fewer hours for family and child care.  Of
course any policy that is state-dictated and if coerced must be opposed
but this does not mean that the state policy itself is out of sync with
what people want.  It's a very "culture-specific" issue.

Moreover, Iran, like many other statist countries, has what I would
call "state feminist" organizations (i.e., official women's
organizations), and they make inputs into policy initiatives like
this.

BBC's criticism of offering women the chance to "work part-time but be
paid full-time" is revealing.

On 10/24/06, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Iran leader backs larger families
By Frances Harrison
BBC News, Tehran
<snip>
Although this idea might appeal to some women, the likelihood is that
it will damage women's chances of being employed, because it will make
it more complicated and expensive to hire a woman.

That's a typical attitude of liberal equal-rights feminists, shared by
certain of Iran's own reformists, too.  The attitude basically says,
recognizing the biological and social differences between men and
women (it's biologically women who bear children, and it's women who
have been socialized to take care of children) and making policy that
eases the burden on women based on that recognition would make things
difficult for capitalists and therefore is wrong.  It, instead,
appeals to the state to make gender-neutral policy, suggesting that
women will be on equal footing to men in a gender-neutral environment.
But that is not so.  The only women who do as well as men in a
gender-neutral environment are childless women, for other women are
still stuck with care-giving labor almost everywhere, even in
socialist and social democratic states.

Here, class difference among women matters.  Richer, better educated
women who have no or few children fare better under the liberal
equal-rights feminist regime than the regime that explicitly
recognizes gender difference and make maternalist policies based on
that, for all rich women need to strive for gender equality is equal
opportunity, while working-class women, who tend to bear more children
than richer women, are probably more at a disadvantage under the
former than the latter.
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Yoshie
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