On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:01 PM, michael a. lebowitz wrote:

But Marx, when talking about the relation between surplus value and profit/interest/rent (or value and price)--- which is the relation relevant to 'transformation' issues--- is not talking about 'shared characteristics' (which implies coexisting on the same level); rather, he is explicitly talking about 'invisible essence' and surface forms--- which cannot exist on the same level:

"Surplus-value and the rate of surplus-value are… the invisible essence to be investigated, whereas the rate of profit and hence the form of surplus-value as profit are visible surface phenomena" (Marx, 1981b: 134).

Of course that essence has no existence separate from the surface phenomena, does it?

Doug

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