Hmmm, how does the second Bolivarian revolution (this time through the
ballot box) sweeping across Latin America (and I support the stolen results
theory in Mexico) fit into the imagery of still being ON the tiger? Perhaps
more like a tick or similar irritant!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Brown
Sent: 06 December 2006 20:57
To: [email protected]
Subject: [PEN-L] A dime's worth of difference

> "This is not Vietnam or Somalia or those places where you can walk away,"

I've been arguing specifically this last point for quite awhile. The u.s.
empire has two ground points, the Mideast & Latin America. To surrender
either is to get off the tiger it is riding. (Image from Pericles.)

And whatever errors they made, and however they differed among
themselves, the great marxist analysts of imperialism early in the 20th
century had one point wholly correct: imperialism is of the very being of
capitalism, not a separable policy.

The U.S. can't not fight, at whatever cost, to retain hegemony in the
mideast and latin america. And the DP & RP are totally unified on this,
differences being only tactical.

Carrol

^^^^^^

CB; I agree with you that imperialism is not just a policy ,but why is it
that Latin America and the Middle East are "ground points" and Viet Nam was
not ?

I think they may have made their point sufficiently in Iraq: "We will come
in and mess you over bad, and we will do it based on some madeup stuff, in
other words, without any good reason other than we are imperialism and we
can invade anywhere anytime ( except Russia)." That establishes hegemony.
Hell, they invaded Iraq 15 years ago and left. Now they are back. They can
go back in the future. Hit and run imperialism. They may have to stay for a
year longer or so, but they don't have to stay forever this time.

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