You presume too much Charles.  Read the chapter numerous times, more
than the several times I've read all 3 volumes of Capital and the twice
of read TSV, if anybody's counting.  And I have paid attention to it.

My lack of agreement with a particular (mis)interpretation does not mean
I'm not paying attention. I think if you go a bit further in your
reading of Marx, maybe beyond Volume 1, you might find more interesting
comments on the origin of capital... If you pay attention that is.

----- Original Message -----
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> And just to make sure no call goes without a response-- my reply to
LP's
> blog:
>
> Note that Marx says:  "England at the end of the 17th century, they
> arrive at a systematical combination, embracing the colonies, the
> national debt, the modern mode of taxation, and the protectionist
> system."  They arrive at a systemical combination-- that would
indicate
> a culmination, and a system able to turn the treasures captured
outside
> Europe by looting, slavery, and murder into capital.  What system
could
> do that?  A system that had already established the social relations
of
> capital internally, in its domestic market.
>
> ^^^^^
> CB: Oh now, newly construing this chapter that you never paid
attention to
> before,  you're making out that Marx agrees with Brenner - Not.
>
> ^^^^^
>
>
>
> What systems could not do that?  The sysems that in fact had failed to
> establish such capitalist relations internally, in its domestic
market,
> in agriculture.   Like Spain.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:04 PM
> Subject: [PEN-L] What Marx meant by primitive accumulation
>
>
> I plan to blog thousands of words over the summer about the
> "transition debate", which involves principals including Paul Sweezy,
> Maurice Dobb, Robert Brenner, Jim Blaut et al but just want to jump
> the gun on something that is fresh in my mind.
>
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