Jayson Funke wrote:
> > Might part of the problem lie in a static view of finance as inherently
> > incapable of value-production? Surely finance, in the same way that industry
> > has become more financial (by expanding credit provisioning and financial
> > investing etc), has also expanded its range of operations into
> > value-producing activities. For example, when I worked at Mellon Financial
> > we produced tax returns, investment reports, and many custodial services in
> > which my labor added value to a product sold to clients. Is menial physical
> > labor the only labor that adds value?

raghu wrote:
> Why does "menial" work have to be necessarily physical (and why does
> physical work have to be menial?) Surely WalMart checkout desks and
> McDonald drive-through windows do not involve burning a lot of
> calories but it is about as menial as it gets right?

"menial" or non-menial has nothing to do with labor being productive
or unproductive. What makes labor "productive" in the Marxian system
is that it contributes to the aggregate pool of surplus-value. It's
not productive in some moral sense (except according to bourgeois
morality). It's not productive from the working-class perspective.

if they simply involve changing who has property rights for some
commodities, work at "WalMart checkout desks and McDonald
drive-through windows" is not productive in Marx's sense. (It's part
of the necessary overhead.)  if the people who work there provide
services beyond that, they can be productive.

--
Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
way and let people talk.) --  Karl, paraphrasing Dante.

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