* Stephane Eranian <eran...@google.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Ingo Molnar <mi...@elte.hu> wrote:
> >
> > * eran...@google.com <eran...@google.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This patch adds support for randomizing the sampling period.
> >> ??Randomization
> >> is very useful to mitigate the bias that exists with sampling. The random
> >> number generator does not need to be sophisticated. This patch uses the
> >> builtin random32() generator.
> >
> >> + ?? ?? if (width > 63 || attr->freq)
> >> + ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? return -EINVAL;
> >
> > Why not for freq counters? Those are semi-randomized already, but it might
> > make sense to make them 'more' randomized in special circumstances. That
> > would
> > also allow us to enable the randomization in perf top and perf record, by
> > default.
> >
>
> What's the goal of freq?
> Achieve and maintain the target interrupt/rate.
> In doing so, it has to adjust the period (not randomly).
No, the goal of auto-freq is to keep a steady average rate of sampling.
There is no requirement to keep it 'steady' - each sample comes with a
specific weight.
> Randomization may prevent achieving the rate, or it may slow
> it down. What's the value add of that?
Why do you assume that the two are incompatible? We can randomize auto-freq
and still have a perfectly stable average rate.
We know how long each sample takes so the result is precise, via
PERF_SAMPLE_PERIOD.
> > Without that we'd have no immediate usecase and no way to ensure that this
> > code works as intended.
>
> Why?
>
> With perf you also have fixed sampling period (-c option), you simply need
> to express the fact you want it randomized.
-c is legacy in essence. The default is auto-freq and i doubt anyone uses -c
anymore.
Why would they use it? Auto-freq is so much more convenient - it adapts to the
workload and achieves a steady state of sampling, regardless of how frequent
the hardware events are and regardless of how dynamic the workload itself is.
Ingo
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