On 9/10/05, Tels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Moin, > > you are in a maze of Test modules, all looking alike. You are likely being > beaten by a dependecy. > > This is a mini-rant on how complex the tesing world for Perl modules has > become. It starts harmless, like you want to install some module. This > time it was CPAN-Depency.
What do you mean "has become" all the modules you encountered are at least 2 years old but apart form anything that's a bit like coplaining about how complex the world of coputers has become, it used to be that I could just switch on, press Shift-RunStop, press play on my tape desk, make a cup of tea and then start playing whatever Commodore 64 game I wanted. It's all so complex now with ADSL, hard drives, wireless, linux distributions and web browsers. There is a genuine problem here though and that's the fact that MakeMaker and possibly Module::Build don't allow you to specify testing requirements separately from building requirements and run time requirements but most people don't ever see it thanks to CPAN.pm. You can also work around the problem without a mini-cpan by using CPAN.pm to install the module onto a connected box with automatic dependency following turned off and noting what else is needed. It's awkward but you're going to pay a price if you disconnect from the internet, By the way, there's a new version Test-NoWarnings on CPAN that doesn't emit (harmless) warnings during self-testing, F Since for security reasons your Perl box is not connected to the net, you > fetch it and all dependencies from CPAN and transfer them via sneaker net > and USB stick. It includes some gems like: > > 'Test::Deep' => 0, > 'Test::Warn' => 0, > > Huh? Never heard of them, but if it needs them, well, we get 'em. > Presumable they are only needed for testing the module, but who knows? > > However, as you soon find out, Test::Deep needs these two: > > Test::Tester => '0.04', > Test::NoWarnings => '0.02', > > Put on your high-speed sneakers, grumble shortly and fetch them. > > Test::Tester is moderate, it only needs Test::Builder, which we somehow > already got. And Test::NoWarnings needs only Test::Tester (are you > confused yet?), so we are clear. Except for one test failure in > Test::NoWarnings: > > t/none........You should load Test::Tester before Test::Builder (or > anything that loads Test::Builder) > > I call that warning ironic. Anyway, now on to Test::Warn (not to be > confused with test::NoWarnings). It needs: > > Warning: prerequisite Array::Compare 0 not found. > Warning: prerequisite Sub::Uplevel 0 not found. > Warning: prerequisite Test::Builder::Tester 0 not found. > Warning: prerequisite Test::Exception 0 not found. > Warning: prerequisite Tree::DAG_Node 0 not found. > > Ugh! Test::Builder::Tester? Is there also a Test::Tester::Builder? And > when does the madness end? At this point I got testy (no pun intended) > and seriously considered screwing CPAN-Dependecy... > > One saw me continuing, however, until I found out that Array::Compare > needs Module::Build, and I don't have this, either - and most of it's > dependecies are missing here, also. Aaaaaarg! > > I am all for putting often used stuff into extra modules, but I think this > > has gone way to far, especially the user will go through all this just so > that Random-Module-0.01 can run it's freaky test suite.... > > </rant> > > Best wishes, > > Tels, who was last seen FYAMFC (Fetching Yet Another Module From CPAN) > > - -- > Signed on Sat Sep 10 17:23:26 2005 with key 0x93B84C15. > Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ > PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. > > "Duke Nukem Forever will come out before Unreal 2." - George Broussard, > 2001 (http://tinyurl.com/6m8nh) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEVAwUBQyL+jncLPEOTuEwVAQFiyQf9Fx/C+mqQNaQt4i9PQsSfJX9Td2U3UeMp > dHBpBAGl8pNIZUtKFOFXHqLhrR/d94SM69MfN9VpFEfnLD5h6DjPsqXoO9FTWswV > ALyll3uHX8M8S+hm6qGWewXY7wk8o0WekFe70zQ4qCgBQO7P2nnXZEZzCV/Pzw9Q > WEb/GULo2z1PvhLfgvieTCGb8kt1JKIKZI0OpO6MZcoB8GvoQ7XxfXt44zPKdFTc > 2pxo7UVlIun3dfJI4CDkFx1jIgazmWpBAFd0BYcljhZgcp8J64WZc2twfQlSpxzt > wjtSmaWCGdMXsZyfoQWvPY4R5WAVSo/1AOThCQSzPABEH2aoWw0H0w== > =CRZL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >
