Hello there, You should consider the aim of the tests. Whether it is for UAT (user acceptance) for a new functionality. Or just Sanity Tests : => Non regressions tests But if it is automated, I totally agree : please just write the damn tests ;-)) Note that they should be normally written/designed before development by the functional teams ... Which is rarely the case. Best regards Fabien
From: Shlomi Fish <shlo...@shlomifish.org> To: Jeffrey Ryan Thalhammer <j...@imaginative-software.com>, Cc: perl-qa@perl.org Date: 30/01/2013 07:58 Subject: Re: [ESSAY] “Writing tests, motherfucker!” Hi Jeffrey, On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:36:54 -0800 Jeffrey Ryan Thalhammer <j...@imaginative-software.com> wrote: > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 1:13 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > > However, now I feel that trying to > > philosophise about the distinction between all those is not so useful for > > the people who are actually trying to write the tests. > > > +1000 > :-) > I once had fervent debates with colleagues about whether something was a > "unit test" or "integration test" or "acceptance test". I always felt the > distinction was pointless, but now I understand why it happened. > > Unit tests were regarded as the developer's realm. Integration tests are the > build engineer's responsibility. And acceptance tests might belong to QA. > So labeling tests serves as a means for allocating work (and blame). > > Fortunately, I've seen more and more organizations dismantle their QA teams > completely. Quality is everyone's responsibility. Well, I feel that having some testers who try to break the software is useful for programs which have a GUI, a web UI, etc. They don't need to be coders per-ce, but should be clueful to try various things. I am always frustrated that various web UIs don't behave exactly like I want, and I feel that contacting the web-site owner will yield nothing. (Google, I am looking at you). As someone who is obsessed with even the smallest usability details on http://www.shlomifish.org/ and other sites, I feel that the standard “You have a problem with a site, and I agree with you that it's a problem, but I'm not going to make it a high priority to fix it, so f**k you!” (as opposed to what Joel on Software said here - http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/customerservice.html . > > Now, somebody, just write the damn test :) > Agreed. :-). > -Jeff Regards, Shlomi Fish -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Stop Using MSIE - http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/ My Commodore 64 is suffering from slowness and insufficiency of memory, and its display device is grievously short of pixels. Can anybody help? — Omer Zak Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
