I have to agree. I expect people would be much more likely to buy a book on Tk(as they have been buying for years) or even wxPerl because of the cross platform nature of these two products.
Good luck getting AS to package a cookbook with ActivePerl. They are 3 years behind on the Win32::GUI ppm. Although, if someone will spend the time working with them, it would be greatly appreciated! Joe Frazier, Jr. Senior Support Engineer Peopleclick Service Support Tel: +1-800-841-2365 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jez White > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:52 AM > To: Alex Lee; Win32-GUI List > Subject: Re: FW: [perl-win32-gui-users] Website - Code > snippets gallery > > Hi, > > I must admit I would buy a win32::gui cookbook:) > > I think the market for a real book is a little limited though > - in my view the biggest problem with win32::gui is it's > exposure. I still come across developers who are using TK or > web based front ends for win32 apps simply because they > didn't know win32::gui existed. If for example, win32::gui > was included in all activestate win32 distributions, then you > would be a ready made market! > > Good luck, > > Cheers, > > jez. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Win32-GUI List" <perl-win32-gui-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: FW: [perl-win32-gui-users] Website - Code > snippets gallery > > > > Hi all: I think win32::gui cookbook is a great idea. Has anyone even > > think about trying to officially publish it. I don't mind > putting out > > the money for self-publish I-universe type book and split > the profit! > > ;) > > I can actually submit a few examples mysef. > > Please let me know if anyone is interested. > > > > al ;) > > > > > > On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:17:17 -0800, Glenn Linderman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> On approximately 11/15/2004 7:29 AM, came the following > characters from > >> > >> > >> the keyboard of Chris Wearn: > >> > >> > I agree that the official documentation describing each > control, it's > >> > methods and properties are each described in greater > detail (especially > >> > the > >> > TDB ones), also a list of depreciated methods and their > replacements. I > >> > also > >> > note that with each build or commit to CVS, Laurent has > documented more > >> > and > >> > more of these... I know from personal experience that > documentation is > >> > the > >> > least exciting part of any project. > >> > > >> > I feel, the people best placed to document the project, are those > >> > contributing the functionality to the source, however > slow it creeps > >> > in. > >> > > >> > What we are tossing around here, is the idea of creating > a collection > >> > of > >> > both small snippets of individual control syntax, and > larger working > >> > examples for all to benefit from, and is somewhat outside of the > >> > official > >> > documentation. > >> > >> And this is a good idea, to augment the official documentation. > >> > >> I'll continue to lobby for all sample code to be embedded > in working > >> scripts, so that people can play/modify from there. In an > associated > >> text document, quoting particular snippets of code is OK, but there > >> should always be a reference to the complete script in which the > >> technique is used. (It might not hurt to point back to > the document, > >> from the code, also, to keep things maintainable and in sync.) > >> > >> I've just found in the past that snippets are often > described without > >> describing their underlying assumed requirements, which > can be beastly > >> difficult for new users to comprehend... and then they give up... > >> whereas if everything is in working samples, there are no unstated > >> assumptions... the assumptions may not all make it into > the text, but > >> they made it into the code! > >> > >> > >> > >> > The list is full of questions from new users requesting > an example of > >> > 'how > >> > do I add' or 'how do I make'. > >> > > >> > The question I originally started, was whether their was > an existing > >> > facility or repository to easily add or post examples > to, so that at > >> > least > >> > they could be under 'Control' headings and not scattered > throughout 3 > >> > years > >> > of user list. > >> > > >> > I spend an equal amount of time using PHP and have found > great benefit > >> > from > >> > the PHP documentation that also contains user contributed > >> > notes/snippets/examples after each command reference. I > had originally > >> > thought something similar would be of great benefit to > both new and > >> > seasoned > >> > users of Win32::GUI > >> > > >> > Chris Wearn > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > >> > Frazier, Joe Jr > >> > Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 08:56 > >> > To: Chris Wearn > >> > Cc: Win32-GUI List > >> > Subject: RE: [perl-win32-gui-users] Website - Code > snippets gallery > >> > > >> > > >> > Chris, this is a good idea, but I personally would much prefer if > >> > someone to spend their time fleshing out the official > documentation. > >> > Putting examples there would be the most appropriate > place and there > >> > are > >> > still a lot of methods in there with "TDB". The main > reason I bring > >> > this is up is that I have recently had to start really > playing with > >> > Java > >> > for my work and the official Javadoc stuff is horribly lite on > >> > examples, > >> > (unlink most perl modules out there, which are usually > fairly good). > >> > > >> > Joe Frazier, Jr. > >> > > >> > <editorial> > >> > A good example is the Date class. Many of the methods > and constructors > >> > in this class are depreciated, and it points you to the > Calendar Class > >> > or the DateFormat class. One would logically think that > these two > >> > classes would be subclasses so that you can pass these > to a method that > >> > takes a date, but no.... You have to convert to a date object > >> > explicitly. Stupid Java.... > >> > </editorial> > >> > > >> >>-----Original Message----- > >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> >>Behalf Of Chris Wearn > >> >>Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:28 AM > >> >>To: Jez White > >> >>Cc: Win32-GUI List > >> >>Subject: RE: [perl-win32-gui-users] Website - Code > snippets gallery > >> >> > >> >>Hiya Jez, > >> >> > >> >>I agree that a Win32::GUI cookbook would be a great idea, > >> >>available as a document that you can print out and read, > >> >>while being able to download an electronic copy, to enable > >> >>the 'cutting & pasting' of examples. > >> >> > >> >>To ease editing, add styles and colour coding, a MS Word > >> >>document would probably be the most common format. It can > >> >>then be read in Star Office, and a PDF version could > also be output. > >> >> > >> >>I'm happy to do some assembly... and make a > >> >>'work-in-progress' version available via a link on my domain. > >> >> > >> >>Once we have got to various stages we can commit it to CVS on > >> >>sourceforge. > >> >> > >> >>Unless someone else with a degree in publishing, a Mac with > >> >>Quark and nothing else to do, wishes to volunteer... > >> >> > >> >>Otherwise, start emailing me content/examples... > >> >> > >> >>Chris Wearn > >> >> > >> >>-----Original Message----- > >> >>From: Jez White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 06:59 > >> >>To: Glenn Linderman; Chris Wearn > >> >>Cc: Win32-GUI List > >> >>Subject: Re: [perl-win32-gui-users] Website - Code > snippets gallery > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>There are many examples / small snippets of code that > >> >> > >> >>could serve as > >> >> > >> >>>>examples to others, we just need a place to easily store and > >> >>>>collectively showcase them. Something like a forum (I run > >> >> > >> >>one using > >> >> > >> >>>>phpBB). Is there any way of doing this on Sourceforge or > >> >> > >> >>some other > >> >> > >> >>>>place where people can paste in 'how to' snippets, or > do we start > >> >>>>one. > >> >> > >> >>I too think we need a place for these snippets - a Win32::GUI > >> >>cookbook of sorts. It's a question of who is prepared to > >> >>maintain/organise it? Any offers? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>It is always delightful when someone offers some of the hard-won > >> >>>fruits of their labors to share with others. Thanks for > >> >> > >> >>thinking of it. > >> >> > >> >>>This is probably a nice snippet of code... but it isn't complete > >> >>>enough to run, so I can't tell for sure. Probably adding a > >> >> > >> >>few lines > >> >> > >> >>>at the top to use strict; use warnings; use Win32::GUI; and to > >> >>>initialize the > >> >> > >> >>I've created an example, and have added to CVS - the code is > >> >>also below. The only thing you need to do is to have a bitmap > >> >>of some description - I was going to add a bitmap to CVS so > >> >>the script would run, but I don't think the world is ready > >> >>for my art skills:) > >> >> > >> >>Cheers, > >> >> > >> >>jez. > >> >> > >> >>------------- > >> >>use Win32::GUI; > >> >>use strict; > >> >> > >> >>my ($width,$height); > >> >>my $mainwin; > >> >> > >> >>#try to load the splash bitmap from the exe that is running > >> >>my $splashimage= new Win32::GUI::Bitmap('SPLASH'); unless > >> >>($splashimage) { > >> >> #bitmap is not in exe, load from file > >> >> $splashimage= new Win32::GUI::Bitmap('SPLASH.bmp'); > >> >> die 'could not find splash bitmap' unless $splashimage; > >> >> #get the dimensions of the bitmap > >> >> ($width,$height) = $splashimage->Info(); > >> >> } > >> >> > >> >>#create the splash window > >> >>my $splash = new Win32::GUI::Window ( > >> >> -name => "Splash", > >> >> -text => "Splash", > >> >> -height => $height, > >> >> -width => $width, > >> >> -left => 100, > >> >> -top => 100, > >> >> -addstyle => WS_POPUP, > >> >> -popstyle => WS_CAPTION | WS_THICKFRAME, > >> >> -addexstyle => WS_EX_TOPMOST > >> >>); > >> >> > >> >>#create a label in which the bitmap will be placed > >> >>my $bitmap = $splash->AddLabel( > >> >> -name => "Bitmap", > >> >> -left => 0, > >> >> -top => 0, > >> >> -width => $width, > >> >> -height => $height, > >> >> -bitmap => $splashimage, > >> >>); > >> >>$bitmap->SetImage( $splashimage ); > >> >> > >> >>#center the splash and show it > >> >>$splash->Center; > >> >>$splash->Show(); > >> >>#call do events - not Dialog - this will display the window > >> >>and let us #build the rest of the application. > >> >>Win32::GUI::DoEvents; > >> >> > >> >>#A good way of building your application is to keep > >> >>everything in packages, and eval those #into scope in this > >> >>phase. In this case, we'll create the main window and sleep > >> >>to simulate #some work. > >> >>my $string = q ` > >> >> $mainwin = new Win32::GUI::Window ( > >> >> -name => "Main", > >> >> -text => "Main window", > >> >> -height => 400, > >> >> -width => 400, > >> >> ); > >> >> sleep(2); > >> >> $mainwin->Center(); > >> >> $mainwin->Show(); > >> >> `; > >> >>#eval the code and report any errors > >> >>eval $string; > >> >>if ($@) { > >> >> my $message = $@; > >> >> Win32::GUI::MessageBox($splash, $message ,"Build Error", > >> >>MB_OK | MB_ICONWARNING); > >> >> } > >> >>#hide the splash and enter the Dialog phase $splash->Hide; > >> >>Win32::GUI::Dialog(); > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>------------------------------------------------------- > >> >>This SF.Net email is sponsored by: InterSystems CACHE FREE > >> >>OODBMS DOWNLOAD - A multidimensional database that combines > >> >>robust object and relational technologies, making it a > >> >>perfect match for Java, C++,COM, XML, ODBC and JDBC. > >> >>www.intersystems.com/match8 > >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >>Perl-Win32-GUI-Users mailing list > >> >>Perl-Win32-GUI-Users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/perl-win32-gui-users > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------- > >> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: InterSystems CACHE > >> > FREE OODBMS DOWNLOAD - A multidimensional database that combines > >> > robust object and relational technologies, making it a > perfect match > >> > for Java, C++,COM, XML, ODBC and JDBC. > www.intersystems.com/match8 > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Perl-Win32-GUI-Users mailing list > >> > Perl-Win32-GUI-Users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/perl-win32-gui-users > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------- > >> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: InterSystems CACHE > >> > FREE OODBMS DOWNLOAD - A multidimensional database that combines > >> > robust object and relational technologies, making it a > perfect match > >> > for Java, C++,COM, XML, ODBC and JDBC. > www.intersystems.com/match8 > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Perl-Win32-GUI-Users mailing list > >> > Perl-Win32-GUI-Users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/perl-win32-gui-users > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Glenn -- http://nevcal.com/ > >> =========================== > >> Having identified a vast realm of ignorance, Wolfram is > saying that much > >> of this realm lies forever outside the light cone of human > knowledge. > >> -- Michael Swaine, Dr Dobbs > Journal, Sept 2002 > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: InterSystems CACHE > >> FREE OODBMS DOWNLOAD - A multidimensional database that combines > >> robust object and relational technologies, making it a > perfect match > >> for Java, C++,COM, XML, ODBC and JDBC. www.intersystems.com/match8 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Perl-Win32-GUI-Users mailing list > >> Perl-Win32-GUI-Users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/perl-win32-gui-users > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products > from real users. > > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. 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