On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 09:14:53PM +0200, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote:
> On 9/20/05, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tim O'Reilly says we can say:
>
> Woot. Where ?
See attached.
> > --- perl/pod/perlglossary.pod.orig 2005-09-20 11:22:31.480172800 -0700
> > +++ perl/pod/perlglossary.pod 2005-09-20 11:24:18.453993600 -0700
> > @@ -3380,4 +3380,4 @@
> > Based on the Glossary of Programming Perl, Third Edition,
> > by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen & Jon Orwant.
> > Copyright (c) 2000, 1996, 1991 O'Reilly Media, Inc.
> > -Used with permission.
> > +This document may be distributed under the same terms as Perl itself.
> >
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Subject: Re: Contributing Camel glossary to the perl distribution
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:06:11 -0700
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Yup. That's fine. The lawyers said O'Reilly can sign a standard Perl
contributor agreement when TPF has that in place in the next few
months. But you don't need to wait for that.
Have you cleaned up the Pod I sent and checked it in already? I'll be
glad to see the glossary going in. :)
Allison
On Sep 20, 2005, at 7:34, Tim O'Reilly wrote:
> "This document may be distributed under the same terms as Perl
> itself" is fine with me. Let that be the last word unless you've
> had any protest from Larry or any other contributors to the
> glossary, which I doubt. We don't need lawyers to opine on it.
>
> On Sep 19, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>
>
>> The initial cutoff for what goes in 5.8.8 is approaching (see
>> http://nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/104533
>> ); any progress on getting specific licensing terms for the glossary?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Yitzchak
>>
>>
>> (three messages quoted below)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 05:44:11AM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2005, at 1:03, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No, I don't have the POD and would appreciate getting it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've requested it. It should arrive by the end of the week.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'll cite it that way for now, but now that I think about it
>>>> more, it
>>>> should mention what the licensing terms are, not just "Used with
>>>> permission." Would "This document may be distributed under the
>>>> same
>>>> terms as Perl itself." be acceptable?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's the question I'm trying to work out with the lawyers. Go
>>> ahead
>>> and include it with just "Used with permission", and we can
>>> modify it
>>> when we have more information.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Allison
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 07:51:35PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Do you have the POD for the glossary? If not, I'll get it for
>>> you. Use
>>> this text in the AUTHOR and COPYRIGHT section:
>>>
>>> Based on the Glossary of Programming Perl, Third Edition,
>>> by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen & Jon Orwant.
>>> Copyright (c) 2000, 1996, 1991 O'Reilly Media, Inc.
>>> Used with permission.
>>>
>>> Allison
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 06:28:56PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Okay, we'll add it to the distribution now and straighten out the
>>> paperwork in the next couple of weeks. (It'll be a couple of months
>>> before the next stable release of 5.8 anyway.)
>>>
>>> Allison
>>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:09, Tim O'Reilly wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> You know, I'm sure that there are some formalities to be gone
>>>> through,
>>>> but I think you can assume that this is OK.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 16, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Any progress on checking with the authors? Can I add perlglossary
>>>>> to the perl distribution, and what kind of attribution would you
>>>>> like? Something like:
>>>>>
>>>>> =head1 AUTHOR AND COPYRIGHT
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on the Glossary of Programming Perl, Third edition,
>>>>> Copyright (c) 2000, 1996, 1991 O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
>>>>> Used with permission.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 10:17:14AM -0800, Tim O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that this would be fine, if it's OK with Larry (and I
>>>>>> assume
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> would be). Not sure if the other authors need to be consulted as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>> Cali Bush could handle any necessary paperwork. (Or maybe this
>>>>>> email
>>>>>> is sufficient, with a similar one from Larry.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The documentation that comes with perl covers most of the areas
>>>>>>> represented in the Camel (at least the 2nd edition, with
>>>>>>> which I am
>>>>>>> more familiar). One glaring exception that gets brought up
>>>>>>> regularly
>>>>>>> is the glossary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See one previous discussion starting at
>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?
>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the text of either the 2nd or 3rd edition's glossary can be
>>>>>>> released under perl's licensing, I'd be more than happy to do
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> formating it as a perlglossary.pod. If the authors' approval is
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> needed, I can contact them too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing back from you,
>>>>>>> Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>> Tim O'Reilly @ O'Reilly Media, Inc.
>>>>>> 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472
>>>>>> 707-827-7000
>>>>>> http://www.oreilly.com (company), http://tim.oreilly.com
>>>>>> (personal)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ------------
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>>>>
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"This document may be distributed under the same terms as Perl
itself" is fine with me. Let that be the last word unless you've had
any protest from Larry or any other contributors to the glossary,
which I doubt. We don't need lawyers to opine on it.
On Sep 19, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
> The initial cutoff for what goes in 5.8.8 is approaching (see
> http://nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/104533
> ); any progress on getting specific licensing terms for the glossary?
>
> Thanks,
> Yitzchak
>
>
> (three messages quoted below)
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 05:44:11AM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
>
>> On Jun 20, 2005, at 1:03, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>>
>>
>>> No, I don't have the POD and would appreciate getting it.
>>>
>>
>> I've requested it. It should arrive by the end of the week.
>>
>>
>>> I'll cite it that way for now, but now that I think about it
>>> more, it
>>> should mention what the licensing terms are, not just "Used with
>>> permission." Would "This document may be distributed under the same
>>> terms as Perl itself." be acceptable?
>>>
>>
>> That's the question I'm trying to work out with the lawyers. Go ahead
>> and include it with just "Used with permission", and we can modify it
>> when we have more information.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Allison
>>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 07:51:35PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
>
>> Do you have the POD for the glossary? If not, I'll get it for you.
>> Use
>> this text in the AUTHOR and COPYRIGHT section:
>>
>> Based on the Glossary of Programming Perl, Third Edition,
>> by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen & Jon Orwant.
>> Copyright (c) 2000, 1996, 1991 O'Reilly Media, Inc.
>> Used with permission.
>>
>> Allison
>>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 06:28:56PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
>
>> Okay, we'll add it to the distribution now and straighten out the
>> paperwork in the next couple of weeks. (It'll be a couple of months
>> before the next stable release of 5.8 anyway.)
>>
>> Allison
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:09, Tim O'Reilly wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You know, I'm sure that there are some formalities to be gone
>>> through,
>>> but I think you can assume that this is OK.
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Any progress on checking with the authors? Can I add perlglossary
>>>> to the perl distribution, and what kind of attribution would you
>>>> like? Something like:
>>>>
>>>> =head1 AUTHOR AND COPYRIGHT
>>>>
>>>> Based on the Glossary of Programming Perl, Third edition,
>>>> Copyright (c) 2000, 1996, 1991 O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
>>>> Used with permission.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 10:17:14AM -0800, Tim O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think that this would be fine, if it's OK with Larry (and I
>>>>> assume
>>>>> it
>>>>> would be). Not sure if the other authors need to be consulted as
>>>>> well.
>>>>> Cali Bush could handle any necessary paperwork. (Or maybe this
>>>>> email
>>>>> is sufficient, with a similar one from Larry.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The documentation that comes with perl covers most of the areas
>>>>>> represented in the Camel (at least the 2nd edition, with which
>>>>>> I am
>>>>>> more familiar). One glaring exception that gets brought up
>>>>>> regularly
>>>>>> is the glossary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See one previous discussion starting at
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?
>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the text of either the 2nd or 3rd edition's glossary can be
>>>>>> released under perl's licensing, I'd be more than happy to do
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> formating it as a perlglossary.pod. If the authors' approval is
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> needed, I can contact them too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing back from you,
>>>>>> Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
>>>>> -----------
>>>>> Tim O'Reilly @ O'Reilly Media, Inc.
>>>>> 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472
>>>>> 707-827-7000
>>>>> http://www.oreilly.com (company), http://tim.oreilly.com
>>>>> (personal)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>> ------------
>>> Tim O'Reilly @ O'Reilly Media, Inc.
>>> 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472
>>> 707-827-7000
>>> http://www.oreilly.com (company), http://tim.oreilly.com (personal)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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