This week on perl5-porters (11-18 August 2002)
From sunny and hot and about to burst out in thunderstorms, downtown
Echt, comes this weeks perl5-porters summary.
The week was full of interesting stuff on p5p, although some of it
(still) went way over my head when it got to PV, UiVP and
ANDMORDOROROROROROR land. I hope you will all bear with me and please
correct me when I've summarized the more innardly Perl stuff
incorrectly, so that I can correct them next week.
Because Rafael had a short schedule to meet, I've decided to include
last week's Sunday into this report as well. Some interesting things
started that day and I feel I wouldn't do justice there if they would
fall between the cracks of the perl5-porters summary.
The Math::BigInt::FastCalc Prophecies
Tels posted an expos� on the future of large (if not huge) integers in
Perl. Not only did he predict the future, he started implementation of
these new, much faster, routines in XS. Wish I had the nerve to jump
into participating in the development of Perl with XS the way he does.
See the start of the thread at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regular expressions for $/
The thread that was spawned by Arthur Bergman's plans for 5.10 with
regards to replacing $/ to be a file handle specific regexp, continued
this week. One of the results was the idea that migration of $/ to a
regular expression associated to a specific handle, rather than to all
open handles (deprecating $/ for 5.10), would help in future migration
to Perl 6. The thread re-starts at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3D5D883D.E75E6963%40earthlink.net
(De)Serializing CODE refs with Storable
The patch that Slaven Rezic submitted to allow code references to be
(de)serialized with Storable, spawned a number of discussions about the
security of such a feature and the possibility of malicious code being
executed without you realizing it. General consensus was that if you are
not able to trust the serialized data source, you are in trouble already
without CODE references being allowed to be de-serialized. Whereas being
able to serialize and deserialize CODE references would indeed be a
handy feature (as it would allow you to have a thread execute code from
another thread, but that's just a personal observation while I write
this down). Finally, Hugo's suggestion for allowing a code reference in
the $Eval hook in Storable (which determines what to do when code is
found in a Storable file when it is being de-serialized) made sense: it
would allow you to do whatever checks you find necessary on the code
being de-serialized.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=200208091504.g79F4IAw014935%40vran.herceg.de
Perl introspection: what is an object really?
The CODE reference discussion spawned a thread about Perl's
introspection capabilities. This set off a thread after a patch from
John Peacock, initially by having ref() return something different in
list context. This fueled some heavy discussion. Graham Barr came with a
patch to Scalar::Util, allowing you to get at the internal memory
address of something, regardless of how it has been blessed or
overloaded. It all starts here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3D5A1952.70408%40rowman.com
CPAN modules signatures
Autrijus Tang got us a little closer to a more secure CPAN, and possibly
NAPC, by submitting several patches and CPAN modules, e.g. to allow you
to do a "make distsign" on your module distribution.
http://groups.google.com/groups?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
$0 not foo anymore in 5.8.0
A bug report by J. Waalboer was confirmed. Funnily enough, this bug
report never made it to Google, so I can't give you a link to it. Some
further inspection shows that perl bug reports don't show up on
nntp.perl.org either, which is probably the reason why they don't show
up on Google. I guess a bug report would be in order if this is not
intentional. Anyways, it was found that 5.8.0 for some reason makes
internal copies of argv and argc, whereas previous versions did not.
So now you can't change the way the process appears in process lists
anymore. There is no final conclusion yet as to why this change was
made. Mark Jason Dominus basically starts the discussion here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020814142953.13510.qmail%40plover.com
Data::Dumper woes
Piers Cawley found some problems in Data::Dumper and invites some
thoughts about writing an overriding can() class method in XS. Nobody
volunteered any thoughts, at least not on the list. Check out the
following link if you're interested.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=84lm79ojfq.fsf%40despairon.bofh.org.uk
Perl-5.8 signal semantics
Michael Schroeder started a thread on the changed signal semantics in
5.8.0 already last week. It finally came to a discussion this week but
no final conclusions were reached. At least, I don't think so ;-)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020809192207.GA22727%40immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
sub IO::Handler::blocking
Benjamin Goldberg found a problem (and a fix!) with the blocking method
of IO::Handle. This will probably at least partially be integrated into
IO.xs.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3D5DC728.DCCDB092%40earthlink.net
Time::HiRes on cygwin
A problem reported by H. Merijn Brand was fixed with a new version of
Time::HiRes being uploaded to CPAN by Gerrit P. Haase, after having
(maybe) been pointed in the right direction by Hugo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020807110630.BBE2.H.M.BRAND%40hccnet.nl
Copy On Write in Perl
There is something interesting going on behind the scenes: copy on write
values in Perl. Only some of it has surfaced in p5p (at least that I
have been able to find). Nicholas Clark found that tr// is apparently
copying a lot of stuff when it is not clear why it is doing that. No
answers as of yet.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020817225635.GB275%40Bagpuss.unfortu.net
Some further research shows that the copy on write stuff may actually be
a cross-pollination from the perl6 internals (Parrot) development track.
Which all goes back to May of this year where Nicholas stated that it
was too experimental to go into 5.8.0. Well, Hugo committed it now! I
hope we will learn more about this exciting project. I wonder whether
this also handles cloning across threads?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020510154652.D59892%40plum.flirble.org
Problems with sprintf() of floats in 5.8.0
It seems that the changes made to Perl 5.8.0 to make handling floating
points more consistent across different systems, introduced some real or
just observed problems. The problems, whether observed or real, seem to
have been fixed by a patch. Michael Minichino brought up this in:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2D2B13BD2D3ED41195E1009027FCA06E01140875%40copexc51.parago.com
A Patchy Documentation
A lot of documentation was patched, many of them just tpyo's. But they
need to be fixed also, so if you find a documentation typo or more
generic problem, please let us know with a perl bug report, or even
better, include a patch with the bug report! It's a good start to help
contributing to the Perl development process.
More, much more...
Of course, a lot more happened on the list the past week: you can check
them out yourself with the new web interface at:
http://nntp.x.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters .
About this summary
The summary is brought to you by Elizabeth Mattijsen, while Rafael
Garcia-Suarez is enjoying a well deserved vacation (the lucky one!).
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the Netherlands. The name means "Real". No kidding. It's where the
Netherlands are at its narrowest: 6 clicks to the east we are in
Germany, 5 clicks to the west and we're in Belgium. This so you all have
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