For the record:
github is also searchable by google. Also, you could write blog posts,
which are also searchable by google.
I happen to read this list on my phone, and for some reason it gets super
annoyed at very long posts, so I find these lengthy code postings a problem
too.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 9:40 PM ToddAndMargo via perl6-users <
perl6-us...@perl.org> wrote:
> On 2020-01-01 07:25, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> > Todd!
> >
> > Of what use are these module printouts?
>
> Tons of examples on how to do various things. Raku is missing
> a Windows API module, which is what this is targets at.
>
> >
> > For someone who complains immediately if you are disrespected by having
> >
> your grammar corrected, you are remarkably disrespectful to everyone else.
>
> Okay. When I do this, please point it out so I can correct it.
>
> > The work you have done getting these modules to work on Windows is
> > great. Given the dominance of Windows in computing, your modules will
> > almost certainly be useful to someone.
>
> They almost killed me and I am not done yet. I still have to conquer
> formatmessagew. And when I post them here, they
> are avail to web search engines, not just this list.
>
> It does not help that the documentation for NativeCall is
> so poorly written.
>
> By the way, no discussion on the backwards integers that
> Windows coughs up. EEEEEE!!!
>
> loop (my $Index = 0; $Index < $lpcbData; $Index += 1 ) {
> my BYTE $x = $lpData[ $Index ]; # say $x.base(16);
> my int32 $y = $x +| 0x0000; # say $y.base(16);
> $KeyValue += ( $y +< ( $Index * 8 ) );
> # say "KeyValue = $KeyValue $KeyValue.base(16)\n";;
> }
>
> I am surfe there are easier ways.
>
> And since most of what NativeCall will be used on will
> be Windows API's, it would serve to show in the docs
> how to handle these weird integers and pointers.
>
>
> >
> > But you send them to an email list. Only those who regularly read the
> > list will see them. Someone coming later will not.
>
> Are you forgetting the list is searchable by Google and others?
>
> >
> > Where do regular Raku programmers (not just 'developers') put modules?
> > Into the ecosystem, so that everyone! can search for a module they need,
> > and can then simply install it with zef.
>
> I have not done that because I do not believe the quality
> of my stuff rise to that. I also would have to go through
> and remove all my "camel humps", which I use for specific
> reasons, and would make it more difficult on me to maintain.
>
> >
> > Second, your plain text versions of modules have no tests, there is no
> > dependency list, there is no one to go to if the module does not work,
> > eg. because Microsoft changed something at random, as they do.
>
> Uhhh, you did not read them too closely. They are up at a
> the top under the initial introduction #`{ xxx }. And lots of
> them too. They are meant to copy and paste. Maybe you mean
> something else?
>
> > If you expect someone else to do that work, think again. Most people on
> > this list probably have more projects in their TODO list than you do,
> > and it seems to me that the majority of them have moved away from an OS
> > that you yourself have described pejoratively.
> >
> > There are many reasons for creating the modules as described in the
> > documentation and placing them in the ecosystem.
> >
> > If you don't like doing this, that's OK, but it's a shame that the
> > results of your time and energy can't be used by others.
>
> You forgot Google again
>
> >
> > Flooding this email list with plain text programs is just blatantly
> > saying "I don't care about your conventions, I'll do this my way". And
> > that is disrespectful of the community.
>
> The guy you describe sound like a real jerk. Please do not
> jump to conclusions about my motives
>
> >
> > Todd, you ask many many questions on this list, questions about things
> > that provide value to you and for which you say you get paid for. You
> > receive free help in a patient and friendly manner, even when you are
> > contemptuous of the people who help you.
>
> "contemptuous" When?
>
> By chance do you mean my opinion of the Docs?
> They are a nightmare -- a real let down after
> using Perl 5's docs. That does not mean I am
> contemptuous of those who write them. I have to
> do technical writing myself. It is arduous,
> thankless task. They just need some, well
> a lot, of polish.
>
> Identifying the problem is not being "contemptuous".
> It is a start to fixing the problem.
>
> I do things that a lot of other people do not do.
>
> 1) I praise and thank everyone who helps me
> 2) I give feedback to others so they will know
> if their advice was helpful.
> 3) I even feedback when I figure things out myself.
>
> I would say 4) I post things I think will be useful
> to other, but other also do that a lot too, so it is
> not all that unusual
>
> > The very least you could do is
> > to abide by the norms that this community has set up.
>
> Again, when have I not?
>
> > If you have modules you want to share, share them in a way that people
> > can use. If you find issues, then raise them in the places where issues
> > are handled. If you have a personal rule about doing some things
> > differently, fine, but please be respectful of others in the community
> > and the 'rules' they abide by.
>
> Which "rules" have I broken?
>
> >
> > Have a prosperous New Year, and may your programming bring you joy.
> >
> > Richard
>
> You too. Thank you for the advice.
>
> -T
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> When you say, "I wrote a program that
> crashed Windows," people just stare at
> you blankly and say, "Hey, I got those
> with the system, for free."
> -- Linus Torvalds
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
