On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Shmuel Fomberg <[email protected]>wrote:
> Top posting is the best for a wall of text. :-) And fixing that now... > > About that anon poster - I think that his problem is mostly the "no other > option" thing. He mentioned that "there is no jobs in the country that I > come from". > People without options are in very stressful situation, and can not > improve their environment. so even the slightest problem can balloon to > full emotional crisis. > Been there - not fun at all. > That's an astute observation. I didn't take that into account. > > About Booking - applying there, the red flags for me were: > The brutal open space - in their office, IIRC, there are only long flat > tables. no private space at all. no separators. > Heck, even the Japanese, that I think invented the open space fashion, put > separators between the sides of the table. When there aren't, the employees > will create them themselves. (big computer screens, personal whiteboards, > the computer body, a phone, stack of documents, and more) And they like > being together. > A few months ago I moved from having my own personal office to an open space. Prior to having my own office I was in a much bigger open space and prior to that I had my own private space in an open space, and so on. I've been through various schemes. My main problem is a feeling of someone behind me, and whoever sat with me at a restaurant knows I always ask for a specific seat - like an odd OCD-ridden weirdo. I found what really bugs me: being in an open space with a lot of people. I like being alone but I found open space to be very rewarding *if* it only has a few people. Now I have an open space with 3 others, and It's quite relaxed. We just have long tables and that's it. In my previous "bigger open space", we had barriers and everything but I still felt uncomfortable. > > Medium salary + bonus: who else is working like that? sell persons and > CEOs. I don't know any other company (granted, I don't know many) that pay > their developers like that. > I don't know either. I got a few bonuses but they were never a policy. There were no "bonuses quota" to be given away. > What does it means? it makes you (if you want that or not, as in the bible > written "money blinds the wise") focus on their business. > Which is good for them. and good for some people. but let's make it > honest: this is not a developer position. This is a technical entrepreneur > position. > I guess they do see it from that "sell people" perspective of "you work for the bonus" which to me doesn't feel like a proper job, or a proper employee. I don't care about bonuses, ever. I care about enjoying what I do. Solving the challenge, reaching an elegant solution, enjoying my time with people and keep learning and improving myself - that's what motivates me. Then again, if they continue doing it, maybe it means it works for their employees (or some of them)? > I think that miss one question in their interview: do you want to start a > company someday? > and hire only the ones that say yes. > This is actually quite genius of them - they take their developers, who > know the best what the codebase can do, and make them always think about > business opportunities. > Really? I always answer "maybe" to questions like that. If I have a very good idea and I want to implement it, maybe I'll do it. Some people care about being independent, some people care about having a steady job. I don't care about neither as much. I care about what I mentioned above, if it means being independent or working for others. I missed having actual discussions on the list. :)
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