On May 17, 2014, at 3:00 , Ted Lemon <[email protected]> wrote:

> On May 16, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Brian E Carpenter <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> I think that is Peter's point, from hearing his talk live a few months
>> ago. You need crypto, but you also need a very strong cardboard box
>> with no buffer overflows, and without the password being scrawled
>> on the outside. And do not trust passing strangers who offer
>> unexpected gifts.
> 
> The problem is that the quote is quite memorable, and is repeated out of 
> context quite frequently.   And a person who is not, like us, familiar with 
> the technology, will hear "there is no real hope, so don't bother" when what 
> is meant is "make sure you secure the end nodes.”

Even were the quote simply true, it may be a non-sequitur.  Front door locks 
get broken sometimes, safes get cracked, padlocks get sawn off, and so on.  
Even if a technique is not 100% effective, that doesn’t make it useless. 


Dave Singer

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David Singer
Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.

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