> From: Aryan Ameri
> This discussion between Arash Z and C bobroff is really interesting.
Aryan,
You were so kind to send *six* screenshots when I'd asked earlier
and now also you send kind words and encouragement. And already I had a
good feeling yesterday after Arash's thoughtful comments.  Thanks! I'm
sure you both had more pressing technical problems to spend your time on
but it's really great for us non-technical people to hear exactly what the
state of Persian computing is.

I confess that when I first joined this list a year ago I thought it was
only a place where a person could post  a very technical question to which
no one would respond (except possibly privately hence the empty archives )
and not much exchange of
useful info was going on (except for occasional fights serving only to
push Persian computing further in a backwards direction and cause general
depression.)
Now I'm changing my mind about that so thanks for your responses and
letting me participate in your list and letting me have a good
experience now.


> Arash, If the Free software community wants everyone to use Unicode and W3C
> validated pages, the community should stop f***ing around and should produce
> some high quality Unicode TTF fonts. We can't rely on M$ Arial Unicode
> forever.
Amen!  From what I've observed, the M$ camp seems to spend its time
figuring out how to do things and is steadily marching forwards without a
care in the world. But the
non-M$ camp seems to spend all its time finding fault with the M$ people
and then they don't have enough energy later to do anything constructive.
Now I happen to live in the same city as M$ (and I can see Bill's house
here from my window) and I can tell you that before M$, our  quiet town
used to be a
really nice place to live in (without over-population and traffic
problems) and furthermore, I can assure you that the people who work for
Bill  are mostly local
kids like my classmates and are not overly intelligent (except maybe
the ones he's imported from outside) yet they seem to be
able to create miracles without much effort (even with "farsi" which is
evidently their lowest priority.  So I can't understand why,
when Linux is like some kind of religion to some, why you can't just copy
what M$ has done??  I suspect it's because you technical people are not
communicating properly with eachother in a manner which fosters
brain-storming and all-around betterment of the situation.  Hope you will
respond to the challenge which my painful-to-look-at screenshots present
and help Seattle return to its pre-M$ tranquility AND make it so newbies
can make a decent Persian website!!


> like. Remember that wether you like it or not, and wether it was your
> intention is not, you are now encouraging people to use specific products (
> Like M$ IE ), that not everyone wants/likes to use. You are unintentionally
> taking freedom from people, and this is a pretty big issue IMO.

You are absolutely correct on this. I will do my best to educate myself to
do better in the future.

> From: Behdad Esfahbod
> in it.  Slashdot has announced that just now Hermann Zapf is
> designing the Arabic glyphs, and finally Don himself has decided
> to stop working on the never-ending Volume IV, and to convert
> Hermann's glyphs to METAFONT programs.

Behdad,
Thanks for the update.  I don't know about Hermann Zapf or Don's
activities.  I'm glad to hear there is hope on the horizon.

> > C bobroff's case though, proved me wrong.
> Simply don't believe him, I know him for years, his(/her?) a lier.

I'm intrigued by this statement. Please explain! I'm thinking my mailer
has deleted something because I don't see the context and this statement
has come as a bit of a surprise.

-Connie

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