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Proper building maintenance is essential. I’ve included the information from the published article regarding the house construction. Maybe the Oklahoma building has something similar in regard to construction/layout. No mention of a basement in the first study home (& 3rd). Study home: The house was originally constructed in the 1850s of 45-cm-thick exterior limestone walls and consists of three floors encompassing 270 m2 of living space. Attic space adjoins east and west second floor walls with another attic above, all with floors covered with 8 cm of blown insulation. The roof has original wood shingles covered by three layers of asphalt shingles. House additions were made during the 1920s and in the 1960 & 1970s; the first addition enclosed an exterior wall. Interior stone walls are covered with plaster. There are several outbuildings, including a horse barn, chicken coop, garage, and open-sided hay barn. 2nd home: The first is in Des Peres, MO, 17 km west of St. Louis. This 158-m2 home was built in 1946 of brick on poured concrete foundation construction. The home consists of two floors plus a 93-m2 finished, concrete floor basement and attached garage. 3rd home: Her 167-m2 home is situated on a 1-ha property and was built in 1963 on poured concrete foundation with one floor and no basement but with a storm shelter connected to the back porch and a barn with one horse. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forrest St. Aubin Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [pestlist] Brown Recluse This is a message from the Museumpests List. To post to this list send it as an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To unsubscribe please look at the footer of this email. ----------------------------------------------------------- The Barger home is well over 100 years old -- I think close to 150. It is solid brick. Local legend has it that it was the home of Wild Bill Hickok when he was town marshall of DeSoto, KS. My home was built in 1976 and is typical of current building, with wood siding and a couple of stone veneer walls. I keep and monitor sticky traps in the basement and, due my efforts toward exclusion, I have few insects or spiders in the home - a very occasional brown recluse. My wife doesn't know about those. Forrest E. St. Aubin, BCE Liaison, ESA/NPMA Chair, ESA-ACE Oversight Committee 12835 Pembroke Circle - Leawood, Kansas 66209 Phone: 913.927.9588 - Fax: 913.345.8008 E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Website: www.saintaubinbce.com<http://www.saintaubinbce.com> "The trouble with the world is not that people know too little, but that they know so many things that ain't so." - Mark Twain -----Original Message----- From: "Louis Sorkin" [[email protected]] Date: 10/11/2012 10:28 AM To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" Subject: RE: [pestlist] Brown Recluse This is a message from the Museumpests List. To post to this list send it as an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To unsubscribe please look at the footer of this email. ----------------------------------------------------------- Hi Forrest, I figured you knew about this home. Your home is different construction and vintage? Your neighbor’s home supports a large Loxosceles population but yours does not. Yes, I know you didn’t mention the tippy toe aspect but that’s normally what people think about spider tarsi and certain insect tarsi as well. The inference is there and it is usually one reason the manufacturers give for their products not working. But as we know, the product has to be placed in the right place to be effective. Lou From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf Of Forrest St. Aubin Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:03 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [pestlist] Brown Recluse This is a message from the Museumpests List. To post to this list send it as an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To unsubscribe please look at the footer of this email. ----------------------------------------------------------- Lou, Please note that I did not say anything about walking on tippy toes, although I guess that could have been inferred. In truth, most PMPs don't put pesticides where they are needed most - behind, beneath, within. And, yes, direct hit works best and dusts are better than liquid sprays. I am very familiar with Rick Vetter's work and he and I are in frequent contact. The home referred to is just a few miles from mine and I am acquainted with the Bargers - Diane Barger is the junior author on the paper you cited. They are my source of brown recluse spiders when I do testing work for Bayer (my former employer) and BASF. Forrest E. St. Aubin, BCE Liaison, ESA/NPMA Chair, ESA-ACE Oversight Committee 12835 Pembroke Circle - Leawood, Kansas 66209 Phone: 913.927.9588 - Fax: 913.345.8008 E-mail: [email protected]<javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');> Website: www.saintaubinbce.com<http://www.saintaubinbce.com> "The trouble with the world is not that people know too little, but that they know so many things that ain't so." - Mark Twain -----Original Message----- From: "Louis Sorkin" [[email protected]] Date: 10/11/2012 09:40 AM To: "[email protected]<javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');>" Subject: RE: [pestlist] Brown Recluse This is a message from the Museumpests List. To post to this list send it as an email to [email protected]<javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');> To unsubscribe please look at the footer of this email. ----------------------------------------------------------- I believe Loxosceles reclusa, which would be called the Brown Recluse Spider, is the only species in the genus that occurs in Oklahoma. We have had introduced species such as L. rufescens, the Mediterranean Recluse, in a few locations in NYC and these are established populations. American roaches are a favorite food source. Tom also had collected this species from the Philadelphia area (he sent me specimens years ago). There have been very few introductions of the Brown Recluse into NYC . Loxosceles spiders can also go long periods of time without feeding. Spiders in general have slow metabolisms. Actually the number collected by glue traps might not make a dent in the actual population. Here’s an example from around 2002 (J. Med. Entomol. 39(6): 948-951(2002)) where a colleague of mine investigated. A person had been bitten during the time when the collecting process was undertaken, but not while living in the home. The spiders were both collected from glue boards (+- 800) and searched out (+- 1200) and hand collected. You might want to read the article – there’s a description of the home and construction details. Online reference to story: Over a 6 month period, “…2,055 brown recluse spiders collected in a Kansas home of a family of four. Despite the abundance of spiders, no one in the family received bites from the potentially dangerous arachnids.” Lou Louis N. Sorkin, B.C.E. Entomologist, Arachnologist Division of Invertebrate Zoology American Museum of Natural History Central Park West at 79th Street New York, New York 10024-5192 [email protected]<javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');> 212-769-5613 voice 212-769-5277 fax The New York Entomological Society, Inc. www.nyentsoc.org<http://www.nyentsoc.org/> [email protected]<http://javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');> From: [email protected]<javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');> [mailto:[email protected]]<javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]]','','','');> On Behalf Of [email protected]<javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 7:20 AM To: [email protected]<javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');> Subject: Re: [pestlist] Brown Recluse This is a message from the Museumpests List. To post to this list send it as an email to [email protected]<http://javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');> To unsubscribe please look at the footer of this email. ----------------------------------------------------------- Director Timothy - Oklahoma is a hotbed of Brown Recluse Spiders. In order to give you some help with your situation, I'd have to know more about the construction of your building. Is there a basement? A crawlspace? What surrounds the building? Does anyone actually live full time in the building? You've certainly made a dent in the population with your trapping program. Tom Parker -----Original Message----- From: John Timothy <[email protected]<http://javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');>> To: pestlist <[email protected]<http://javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');>> Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:15 pm Subject: [pestlist] Brown Recluse This is a message from the Museumpests List. To post to this list send it as an email to [email protected]<http://javascript:window.top.openSendEmail('[email protected]','','','');> To unsubscribe please look at the footer of this email. ----------------------------------------------------------- I have been monitering our museum using sticky traps spread every 10 feet throughout. A significant number of brown recluse spiders were caught, seventy in a two month period of time. Fishing for suggestions on other ways to control them besides sticky traps. I gather insecticides are largely ineffective. -- John Timothy Ataloa Lodge Museum<http://ataloa.bacone.edu/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To send an email to the list, send your msg to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this list send an email to [email protected] and in the subject put: "unsubscribe" - no quotes please. 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