Hi, Christine, I think that the start point can be knowing who is interested to help, and doing what... send me an email and we will decide later according to the number of people interested...
Best Regards, Paula Mangas On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Christine Balague Lille < [email protected]> wrote: > I would be very pleased to use all these tools!! > > How can we advance? > > Best regards > > Christine > > > > *De :* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *De la part de* Paula Mangas > *Envoyé :* vendredi 12 décembre 2008 00:20 > *À :* Claus Reinke > *Cc :* [email protected] > *Objet :* Re: (PN) Petri nets and school/children? (summary) > > > > > Dear Claus Reinke, > > To be honest, I think that before talking to little child about petri-nets > (or another mathematical model) the focus must be people a little bit > older... > > A known fact: there is a lot of people, in universities, that don't > understand and isn't interested on this subject... And I surely agree with > the fact that it would help improve critical thinking at this level too :-) > ... > > Things which can help to generalise the interest and use of this kind of > subject: > > 1. A forum, like you said. Note that a forum and a mailing list isn't the > same thing! As an example, this list is usually used to publish events and > related news... a forum is a place to discuss and learn... And I garantee > you that if a forum doesn't attract teachers it will surely attract > students... > > 2. Online interactive tools to help understanding concepts; > > 3. Challenges and Contests, with apropriate material to self-development; > > 4. Good e-learning classes, with good pratical examples; > > 5. Games, where players must know what they are doing (using the theory). > > Best Regards, > > Paula Mangas > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Claus Reinke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Nearly two weeks ago, I asked for references to usability studies of > Petri nets for school-aged children, or any other Petri nets in school > (pre-university schools, that is) related works: > > > http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/TGI/pnml/getpost?id=2008/11/4406 > > The very small number of replies seems to confirm that this is a largely > uncovered area of education research, although alternative explanations > are possible. > > Even assuming that this list still reaches a large part of the Petri net > research community, and that Petri nets are apparently used in some > schools, it appears that school teachers have their own online communities, > entirely separate from this list (is there any information on the range of > interests covered by list subscribers here?). Also, they might lack the > time/inclination/encouragement/support to publish their findings, or might > record their experiences in local language only, without wider > distribution. > > Researchers, on the other hand, might lack the contacts to local schools, > or find it difficult to imagine that their children, long advanced from > simple board games to multiplayer online dungeons, could be at all > interested in something as simple as Petri nets? I would hope not, > given work on team planning for robot agents, or game story plot > modelling, among others!-) > > I would be interested in other explanations, but for now, it seems that > there is either an unexpected hole in Petri nets research, or an > unfortunate > disconnect between research and education practitioners in this area. > > Please note also that my search was limited to online resources, > as local university libraries in England tend to be unhelpful on the > subject of Petri nets (thinking back to the shelves of Petri net > publications in German libraries, a search in one of them might turn > up relevant older references). > > Perhaps the topic could be emphasized in future events, and the > "Education with Petri Nets" section on the Petri Nets World could > be generalized from academia towards including schools (an unambigous > standard keyword for publications relating to this subject would also help, > as the ambiguity resulting from overloaded terms currently makes successful > search near impossible). > > I'm not sure whether a Petri net education specific forum would attract > teachers more than this list, given that nets can only be one of very many > topics on their busy schedule. But a wiki dedicated to this subject, as > part > of the Petri Nets World, would allow them to share tools, experiences, > best practice in a central place, more visible to the general Petri nets > community (contacts with other groups of school children working > on the same subject, or with researchers willing to offer teacher support, > tool expertise, and inspirational encounters with real-life applications > might also be popular). > > Thanks to all who have replied! > Claus > >
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