it will nonetheless require a lot of convincing that at best they
    get moderate speed-ups, not the 580+x claimed in some of those early
    GPU papers...


Karli, we are talking about two different things. You are talking about performance, and I applaud you for that, but I am talking about giving customers what they want. They want to investigate GPUs. I will say that I do not anticipate seeing any performance improvement.

it is fine to say that "here is what you can try, but don't expect performance gains". My experience is, however, that people then go ahead, try it, *and* expect performance gains (of course for inappropriate system sizes, etc.). Since they invested time in exploring GPUs, there is an implicit expectation that there must be a ROI...

Best regards,
Karli




        The fusion folks that I work with, and I assume other DOE
        offices, are just looking at their codes, subroutine by
        subroutine, and having postdocs look at GPUising them. We just
        need intelligent answers to their questions. Even if we as
        sentient and passionate human being have opinions on the
        approach that is implied by their questions, it is part of my
        job to just give them a professional answer.


    In the past ~18 months I've worked with applications that wanted to
    use GPUs in just that manner. Needless to say that you end up with
    touching almost everything to actually beat an existing (efficient)
    CPU-based application by less than a factor of 2. This involves
    MPI-parallel applications; it's much easier to get higher speedups
    if you don't need to communicate across ranks.


        I have enough now (thanks Jed and Lorena, et al!) to answer the
        AMGx question sufficiently, and if you could give me a quick
        assessment of where we are with hypre's GPU solver that would be
        great.


    does "work in progress" suffice? ;-)


I will advertise it "as is" (this is a term of art in US law).

Thanks again,


    Best regards,
    Karli






        On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Karl Rupp
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
        wrote:

             Hi Mark,

                 I hear Hypre has support for GPUs in a May release. Any
        word on
                 the status of using it in PETSc?


             as far as I know, it is currently not supported in PETSc.
        I'll have
             a look at it and see what needs to be done to enable it.


                 And we discussed interfacing to AMGx, which is complicated
                 (precluded?) by not releasing source. Anything on the
        potential
                 of interfacing to AMGx?  I think it would be great to
        make this
                 available. It is on a lot of checkboxes. I would love
        to be able
                 to say, yea you can use it.


             Lorena Barba's group actually interfaced PETSc to AMGx at
        some point
             (presented at GTC 2016 if I'm not mistaken). I'll reach out
        to them,
             maybe they have something to contribute.

             Best regards,
             Karli



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