Barry,

Thanks, that is essentially what I have done.  I just modified it so
that before the call to KSPSolve it checks to make sure that max_it
for mglevels->smoothd is greater than zero.  However, I still can't
think of a scenario where you might want to call KSPSolve with max_it
== 0 where you would want it to setup the PC, zero the solution
vector, etc., so I still think having KSPSolve exit immediately if
max_it==0 might be better.

John

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Barry Smith <bsmith at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>
>    John,
>
>      You are right we do not have completely optimized forms of all variants 
> of the multigrid algorithms.
>
>      You could make a modification to the routine
>
> #undef __FUNCT__
> #define __FUNCT__ "PCMGMCycle_Private"
> PetscErrorCode PCMGMCycle_Private(PC pc,PC_MG_Levels 
> **mglevelsin,PCRichardsonConvergedReason *reason)
> {
>   PC_MG          *mg = (PC_MG*)pc->data;
>   PC_MG_Levels   *mgc,*mglevels = *mglevelsin;
>   PetscErrorCode ierr;
>   PetscInt       cycles = (mglevels->level == 1) ? 1 : (PetscInt) 
> mglevels->cycles;
>
>   PetscFunctionBegin;
>
>   if (mglevels->eventsmoothsolve) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventBegin(mglevels->eventsmoothsolve,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>   ierr = KSPSolve(mglevels->smoothd,mglevels->b,mglevels->x);CHKERRQ(ierr);  
> /* pre-smooth */
>   if (mglevels->eventsmoothsolve) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventEnd(mglevels->eventsmoothsolve,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>   if (mglevels->level) {  /* not the coarsest grid */
>     if (mglevels->eventresidual) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventBegin(mglevels->eventresidual,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>     ierr = 
> (*mglevels->residual)(mglevels->A,mglevels->b,mglevels->x,mglevels->r);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>     if (mglevels->eventresidual) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventEnd(mglevels->eventresidual,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>
>     /* if on finest level and have convergence criteria set */
>     if (mglevels->level == mglevels->levels-1 && mg->ttol && reason) {
>       PetscReal rnorm;
>       ierr = VecNorm(mglevels->r,NORM_2,&rnorm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>       if (rnorm <= mg->ttol) {
>         if (rnorm < mg->abstol) {
>           *reason = PCRICHARDSON_CONVERGED_ATOL;
>           ierr = PetscInfo2(pc,"Linear solver has converged. Residual norm %G 
> is less than absolute tolerance %G\n",rnorm,mg->abstol);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>         } else {
>           *reason = PCRICHARDSON_CONVERGED_RTOL;
>           ierr = PetscInfo2(pc,"Linear solver has converged. Residual norm %G 
> is less than relative tolerance times initial residual norm 
> %G\n",rnorm,mg->ttol);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>         }
>         PetscFunctionReturn(0);
>       }
>     }
>
>     mgc = *(mglevelsin - 1);
>     if (mglevels->eventinterprestrict) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventBegin(mglevels->eventinterprestrict,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>     ierr = MatRestrict(mglevels->restrct,mglevels->r,mgc->b);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>     if (mglevels->eventinterprestrict) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventEnd(mglevels->eventinterprestrict,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>     ierr = VecSet(mgc->x,0.0);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>     while (cycles--) {
>       ierr = PCMGMCycle_Private(pc,mglevelsin-1,reason);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>     }
>     if (mglevels->eventinterprestrict) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventBegin(mglevels->eventinterprestrict,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>     ierr = 
> MatInterpolateAdd(mglevels->interpolate,mgc->x,mglevels->x,mglevels->x);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>     if (mglevels->eventinterprestrict) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventEnd(mglevels->eventinterprestrict,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>     if (mglevels->eventsmoothsolve) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventBegin(mglevels->eventsmoothsolve,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>     ierr = KSPSolve(mglevels->smoothu,mglevels->b,mglevels->x);CHKERRQ(ierr); 
>    /* post smooth */
>     if (mglevels->eventsmoothsolve) {ierr = 
> PetscLogEventEnd(mglevels->eventsmoothsolve,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>   }
>   PetscFunctionReturn(0);
> }
>
> to remove the unneeded computations.
>
>    Barry
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:39 PM, John Fettig <john.fettig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What if you wanted to do a full cycle with no pre-smooths instead of a 
>> v-cycle?
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Barry Smith <bsmith at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>> #undef __FUNCT__
>>> #define __FUNCT__ "PCMGKCycle_Private"
>>> PetscErrorCode PCMGKCycle_Private(PC pc,PC_MG_Levels **mglevels)
>>> {
>>>  PetscErrorCode ierr;
>>>  PetscInt       i,l = mglevels[0]->levels;
>>>
>>>  PetscFunctionBegin;
>>>  /* restrict the RHS through all levels to coarsest. */
>>>  for (i=l-1; i>0; i--){
>>>    if (mglevels[i]->eventinterprestrict) {ierr = 
>>> PetscLogEventBegin(mglevels[i]->eventinterprestrict,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>>>    ierr = 
>>> MatRestrict(mglevels[i]->restrct,mglevels[i]->b,mglevels[i-1]->b);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>>>    if (mglevels[i]->eventinterprestrict) {ierr = 
>>> PetscLogEventEnd(mglevels[i]->eventinterprestrict,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>>>  }
>>>
>>>  /* work our way up through the levels */
>>>  ierr = VecSet(mglevels[0]->x,0.0);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>>>  for (i=0; i<l-1; i++) {
>>>    if (mglevels[i]->eventsmoothsolve) {ierr = 
>>> PetscLogEventBegin(mglevels[i]->eventsmoothsolve,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>>>    ierr = 
>>> KSPSolve(mglevels[i]->smoothd,mglevels[i]->b,mglevels[i]->x);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>>>    if (mglevels[i]->eventsmoothsolve) {ierr = 
>>> PetscLogEventEnd(mglevels[i]->eventsmoothsolve,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>>>    if (mglevels[i+1]->eventinterprestrict) {ierr = 
>>> PetscLogEventBegin(mglevels[i+1]->eventinterprestrict,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>>>    ierr = 
>>> MatInterpolate(mglevels[i+1]->interpolate,mglevels[i]->x,mglevels[i+1]->x);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>>>    if (mglevels[i+1]->eventinterprestrict) {ierr = 
>>> PetscLogEventEnd(mglevels[i+1]->eventinterprestrict,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>>>  }
>>>  if (mglevels[l-1]->eventsmoothsolve) {ierr = 
>>> PetscLogEventBegin(mglevels[l-1]->eventsmoothsolve,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>>>  ierr = 
>>> KSPSolve(mglevels[l-1]->smoothd,mglevels[l-1]->b,mglevels[l-1]->x);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>>>  if (mglevels[l-1]->eventsmoothsolve) {ierr = 
>>> PetscLogEventEnd(mglevels[l-1]->eventsmoothsolve,0,0,0,0);CHKERRQ(ierr);}
>>>
>>>  PetscFunctionReturn(0);
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Jed Brown <jedbrown at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shorthand for this is -pc_mg_type kaskade.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM, John Fettig <john.fettig at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Barry,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for answering my question.  I have another one for you:  it
>>>> seems the special case of zero pre-smooths is somewhat non-trivial.
>>>> The best I can do is set the pre-smoother to Richardson with PCNONE
>>>> and zero as max_its. However, if you aren't careful in setting
>>>> KSPSetInitialGuessNonzero this can have unexpected results since the
>>>> generic KSPSolve will clobber your solution before it even tries a
>>>> convergence criteria (thus ruling out KSPPREONLY).  It also does a
>>>> couple of unnecessary residual calculations. Would it be reasonable to
>>>> put a zero-iteration special case in KSPSolve so that if you don't
>>>> want any iterations it doesn't actually do anything (no setup, no
>>>> preconditioner, no residual, no scaling, etc.)?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Barry Smith <bsmith at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  John,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, John Fettig <john.fettig at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a little confused about what Richardson means.  If you use
>>>>>> multiplicative V-cycle multigrid with Richardson KSP (and no
>>>>>> convergence monitor), it sets the applyrichardson operator to
>>>>>> PCApplyRichardson_MG, which appears to just run V-cycles until
>>>>>> convergence.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yes, this is correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I can tell, it doesn't ever update according
>>>>>> to the documented
>>>>>>
>>>>>> x^{n+1} = x^{n} + scale*B(b - A x^{n})
>>>>>>
>>>>>      In exact arithmetic it is actually "implicitly" doing exactly this 
>>>>> update.  It is difficult to see why this is true generally (because B is 
>>>>> rather complicated for multigrid) but if you consider only two levels 
>>>>> with a direct solver on the coarse grid and SSOR as the pre and post 
>>>>> smooth you can write out the formulas and map back and forth between the 
>>>>> two forms.  The reason for the PCApplyRichardson_ forms is because they 
>>>>> are a bit more efficient than  separating out the action of B and then 
>>>>> doing the update as above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If on the other hand you use full MG, it does update according to the
>>>>>> above formula.  This also happens if you set a convergence monitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can see how multiplicative V-cycle with Richardson is simply using
>>>>>> multigrid as a solver.  What I don't understand is how full MG with
>>>>>> Richardson is using multigrid as a solver, because it is using the
>>>>>> update formula above in between cycles..  Shouldn't there be a
>>>>>> applyrichardson for full multigrid as well?  If not, why?
>>>>>
>>>>>    I think there could be a applyRichardson for full multigrid but it 
>>>>> would be kind of complicated and would not benefit much because the 
>>>>> amount of work in a full multigrid step is much higher so the savings 
>>>>> would be a much lower percentage than with V cycle.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Barry
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

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