Lawrence Mitchell <[email protected]> writes:

>> On 27 Jan 2021, at 16:30, Matthew Knepley <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> This is very important to do _first_. It would probably only take you a day 
>> to measure the Allreduce time on your target, say the whole machine you run 
>> on.
>
> Why plots like this are not _absolutely standard_ on all HPC sites' webpages 
> is a source of continuing mystery to me.

I've been asking for it for years. They say if you care, you should just go run 
it. Never mind how wasteful that is, and the time commitment to doing so. I 
think they often avoid making a commitment because latency is super variable 
(depending on the partition you get and what other jobs are running elsewhere 
on the machine; Blue Gene famously didn't have that problem).

Meanwhile, latency on cloud providers keeps dropping and they're sure to beat 
conventional HPC centers to publishing a dashboard of expected latency for 
different configurations.  

This page illustrates how hardware reductions scale much better than log(P).

https://www.mcs.anl.gov/~fischer/gop/

> Although I guess Figure 2 from here 
> https://www.mcs.anl.gov/papers/P5347-0515.pdf probably gives me a clue.
>
> Viet, I suspect that Matt thinks you should try and produce a figure like 
> Figure 3 from that linked paper.
>
> Lawrence

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