Okay, this is probably heresy, but here's my advice on making iptables a little
more managable.  iptables-restore and iptables-save work with a kindof funny
looking config file, and I just edit that file by hand rather than figure out
how to craft goofy iptables command lines.  My systems are Fedora Core II, and
FC2 uses the output from iptables-save to start iptables in the boot scripts.  
If you added iptables-restore to your boot scripts, you'd have the same basic
effect.  When I need to make a change I usually just copy an existing line and 
make needed changes.  This gets around some of the complaints about 
administering iptables.

That said, I use OpemBSD with PF for my firewall and I only use iptables 
on servers that need to live outside my firewall for some weird reason.  So 
please don't hit me for giving iptables advice on the pf mailing list...

-Dylan

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> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:11:13 -0400
> David Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I've been trying to make some halting efforts to try and port pf to 
> > Linux (I use Slack -- as well as OBSD, of course).  I haven't seen 
> > anything on the Net about pf on Linux, so I've concluded that no one's
> > 
> > looked at porting pf to Linux.  That's too bad, 'cause pf beats the
> > hell out of iptables for ease of use, configuration, etc.  Since a lot
> > of the details of, for example, building a lkm, the net interface for
> > Linux and writing a Makefile, it's going to be awhile before I have
> > anything vaguely useful.  So, in other words, don't hold your breath.
> 
> Thank you very much for you time.
> 
> I find iptables such a royal PITA. I bought Building Firewalls with
> OpenBSD and PF 2nd edition as I could not get my head around the binat
> keyword, as it was far too easy for me to understand. The rest of the
> book is pretty good, anyway, I'm side tracked now. Ah yes. I've been
> using the same iptables firewall script for 3-ish years, maybe more now
> simply because I could never reconstruct it from scratch without taking
> a week off from my normal duties. I can whip up a pf rule set in no
> time.
> 
> I find the opposite when it comes to other things like running the
> latest GAIM version because darn yahoo or MSN change their protocol,
> getting everything upto date just takes longer. apt-get install gaim, on
> a Debian system gets it right.
> 
> PF on linux would be 'awesome', so long as it did not become like the XP
> firewall.
> 
> - -- 
> Ed. Debian 3. OpenBSD 3.5. Two things came out of berkeley: BSD and 
> LSD. Don't think this a coincidence. Can't cross chasm in small jumps
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