>> [rant about PostgreSQL security restrictions]
No no no, not about security restrictions. The rant is about lacking 
orthogonality. About often NOT being able to combine language features. Doesn't 
anybody share that view? We COULD do better, I think.

> If the security restrictions of materialized views prevent you from using 
> them, why don't you use a normal table instead, TRUNCATE it and INSERT into 
> it?
The MAT VIEW is used from "outside". From other views, or from a client that 
connects to the database.

* I can replace it with a view; I didn't do that for performance reasons.
* I can replace it with a persistent table, a stored procedure, and custom 
caching logic. That'll work. But this is what a MAT VIEW is for, I thought. 


Regards,
Franz-Josef Färber

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Laurenz Albe <[email protected]> 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2026 13:06
An: Färber, Franz-Josef (StMUK) <[email protected]>; Adrian 
Klaver <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Cc: Haupt, Matthias (StMUK) <[email protected]>
Betreff: Re: Why is materialized view creation a "security-restricted 
operation"?

On Mon, 2026-10-12 at 14:59 +0000, Färber, Franz-Josef (StMUK) wrote:

> [rant about PostgreSQL security restrictions]
>
> Ok, I think some people get the point that I claim SQL / Postgres is 
> lacking modularity / orthogonality in the way as I tried to define above.

I don't.  Just because the features you are stacking don't work the way you'd 
like them to, it's not a shortcoming of orthogonality or modularity.

> So let me explain. And perhaps somebody can give good advice.
> 
> * I am running Postgres in a container.
> * I am using https://github.com/pramsey/pgsql-http to query REST services 
> using credentials.
> * I took it as good advice to pass environment variables into the container, 
> and to pass
>   passwords as single files, in mounted container directory /run/secrets/ .
> * Inside postgres I am trying to load that data, using memoization pattern. 
> For example using
>   CREATE TEMP TABLE x ...; COPY x ... FROM PROGRAM 'cat 
> /run/secrets/mypassword'.
>   This part is encapsulated as a function.
> 
> * Now there was one point where I was using a MATERIALIZED VIEW accessing 
> that function.
>   And well, that failed.
> 
> What I COULD do is replace COPY x ... FROM PROGRAM with a file_fdw 
> FOREIGN TABLE, but this way it isn't parametrizable. I would have to 
> create as many foreign tables as I have passwords / environment variables, I 
> think.

If the security restrictions of materialized views prevent you from using them, 
why don't you use a normal table instead, TRUNCATE it and INSERT into it?

Yours,
Laurenz Albe

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