On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:42 PM, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
> Tom, > > For starters, let's talk strictly about improving the deployment > situation, which the core team *is* uniquely positioned to do. > > The pl/java author(s) should figure out what needs to be done but once > that's known we need to do *something* in core so the deployment process is > reduced to 1-2 steps max (CREATE EXTENSION pljava, and add Java to > Postgresql's library path). > But what the core team has done is provide a pretty stable interface for getting to that point. The extension interface is well documented and quite stable IME. If the pl/java project can't get it to a point where you can make && make install, then I don't see what would possibly benefit from getting into core. But if they get to that point then it can be on pgxn and you could install it with a pgxn client installation tool that would make things easy. > > Gili > > On 18/09/2014 12:31 AM, Tom Lane-2 [via PostgreSQL] wrote: > > John R Pierce <[hidden email] > <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5819443&i=0>> writes: > > On 9/17/2014 5:02 PM, cowwoc wrote: > >> This shouldn't be too technically difficult to pull off. > > > right. > > > wait, which user? the java user/developer who typically hasn't a > > clue how system-level stuff functions or operates, or the postgresql > > database administrator, who probably hasn't a clue how java works > > internally ? > > There are a number of reasons why this (pl/java in core) isn't likely > to happen; one being that I think a good fraction of the core PG > developers fall into the "haven't a clue how java works internally" > camp. But here's the *key* reason: if pl/java is failing to stay afloat > as an external project, that is a terrible reason for pulling it into > core. It suggests strongly that the manpower or interest to keep it > going simply doesn't exist. Making it part of the core distribution > would not fix that, and moreover it would demand attention from PG core > developers who are not particularly motivated or capable to do anything > with it. > > If you feel that pl/java isn't sufficiently well maintained, the > short answer is that you should get involved with it as it is. > In the end, open source is all about "scratch your own itch". > > regards, tom lane > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-general mailing list ([hidden email] > <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5819443&i=1>) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://postgresql.1045698.n5.nabble.com/Why-isn-t-Java-support-part-of-Postgresql-core-tp5819025p5819443.html > To unsubscribe from Why isn't Java support part of Postgresql core?, click > here. > NAML > <http://postgresql.1045698.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > > > > ------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Why isn't Java support part of > Postgresql core? > <http://postgresql.1045698.n5.nabble.com/Why-isn-t-Java-support-part-of-Postgresql-core-tp5819025p5819445.html> > Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive > <http://postgresql.1045698.n5.nabble.com/PostgreSQL-general-f1843780.html> > at Nabble.com. > -- Best Wishes, Chris Travers Efficito: Hosted Accounting and ERP. Robust and Flexible. No vendor lock-in. http://www.efficito.com/learn_more