Hi Haibo,

On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 11:04 PM Haibo Yan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the patch. I may be missing something, but I wonder if the new 
> debug path can still end up calling pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency() after 
> tsc_detect_frequency() already bailed out with no rdtscp or not invariant.
> If so, it seems the diagnostics path is no longer following the same gate as 
> the normal TSC-usability path, and could still execute pg_rdtscp() while only 
> trying to print debug info.
> Maybe I am overlooking a guard somewhere, but I think it would be safer 
> either to use the same prerequisites here, or keep this helper purely passive.

Yes, that's a good point. I don't think the TSC not being invariant
would be a problem on its own, but the RDTSCP instruction not being
available would presumably make the frequency function fail.

I think the easiest way to approach that is to only run the
calibration function in the debug path when we have a frequency, but
it wasn't determined through calibration. Per earlier note from Andres
running calibration in those cases is intentional to help us compare
CPUID data with what we got from calibration.

Attached v28, which also adds the exit(1) mentioned earlier.

FWIW, for archive's sake, drongo is green again now, thanks to commit
7fc36c5db550 (Avoid CPUID 0x15/0x16 for Hypervisor TSC frequency).

Thanks,
Lukas

--
Lukas Fittl
From 36f94fa0a224ebf4276146c777214486bf109a85 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Lukas Fittl <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 10:11:56 -0700
Subject: [PATCH v28] pg_test_timing: Show additional TSC clock source debug
 info

In some cases its needed to understand whether TSC frequency data was
sourced from CPUID, and which of the registers. This shows this debug
information at the end of pg_test_timing, through use of a new
pg_timing_tsc_clock_source_info function, replacing the previous
pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency export that was only needed for debug info.

Additionally, emit a warning if TSC frequency from calibration differs
by more than 10% from the TSC frequency in use, suggesting the use
of timing_clock_source = 'system'.

Author: Lukas Fittl <[email protected]>
Suggested-by: Andres Freund <[email protected]>
Reviewed-by: Andres Freund <[email protected]>
Reviewed-by: Haibo Yan <[email protected]>
Discussion: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/jr4hk2sxhqcfpb67ftz5g4vw33nm67cgf7go3wwmqsafu5aclq%405m67ukuhyszz#2fdfd95b6a4a74410196999818e16cfc
---
 doc/src/sgml/ref/pgtesttiming.sgml      |  2 +
 src/bin/pg_test_timing/pg_test_timing.c | 49 +++++++++++++++-----
 src/common/instr_time.c                 | 60 +++++++++++++++++++++++--
 src/include/port/pg_cpu.h               |  2 +-
 src/include/portability/instr_time.h    | 11 ++++-
 src/port/pg_cpu_x86.c                   | 28 ++++++++++--
 src/tools/pgindent/typedefs.list        |  1 +
 7 files changed, 134 insertions(+), 19 deletions(-)

diff --git a/doc/src/sgml/ref/pgtesttiming.sgml b/doc/src/sgml/ref/pgtesttiming.sgml
index 75fcc58d799..bbb511ae94a 100644
--- a/doc/src/sgml/ref/pgtesttiming.sgml
+++ b/doc/src/sgml/ref/pgtesttiming.sgml
@@ -283,8 +283,10 @@ Observed timing durations up to 99.9900%:
 ...
 61594291       0.0000   100.0000          1
 
+TSC frequency source: x86, cpuid 0x15
 TSC frequency in use: 2449228 kHz
 TSC frequency from calibration: 2448603 kHz
+
 TSC clock source will be used by default, unless timing_clock_source is set to 'system'.
 ]]></screen>
   </para>
diff --git a/src/bin/pg_test_timing/pg_test_timing.c b/src/bin/pg_test_timing/pg_test_timing.c
index 2afb0e6a410..a31746a256f 100644
--- a/src/bin/pg_test_timing/pg_test_timing.c
+++ b/src/bin/pg_test_timing/pg_test_timing.c
@@ -7,6 +7,7 @@
 #include "postgres_fe.h"
 
 #include <limits.h>
+#include <math.h>
 
 #include "getopt_long.h"
 #include "port/pg_bitutils.h"
@@ -184,7 +185,7 @@ static void
 test_tsc_timing(void)
 {
 	uint64		loop_count;
-	uint32		calibrated_freq;
+	const TscClockSourceInfo *info;
 
 	printf("\n");
 	loop_count = test_timing(test_duration, TIMING_CLOCK_SOURCE_TSC, false);
@@ -197,23 +198,51 @@ test_tsc_timing(void)
 		loop_count = test_timing(test_duration, TIMING_CLOCK_SOURCE_TSC, true);
 		output(loop_count);
 		printf("\n");
+	}
 
-		printf(_("TSC frequency in use: %u kHz\n"), timing_tsc_frequency_khz);
+	/*
+	 * Report TSC information regardless of whether it was usable, makes
+	 * debugging a lot easier.
+	 */
+	info = pg_timing_tsc_clock_source_info();
+	if (info->frequency_source[0] != '\0')
+		printf(_("TSC frequency source: %s\n"), info->frequency_source);
+	printf(_("TSC frequency in use: %d kHz\n"), info->frequency_khz);
 
-		calibrated_freq = pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency();
-		if (calibrated_freq > 0)
-			printf(_("TSC frequency from calibration: %u kHz\n"), calibrated_freq);
-		else
-			printf(_("TSC calibration did not converge\n"));
+	if (info->calibrated_frequency_khz > 0)
+	{
+		double		diff_pct;
 
+		printf(_("TSC frequency from calibration: %d kHz\n"), info->calibrated_frequency_khz);
+
+		diff_pct = fabs((double) info->calibrated_frequency_khz - info->frequency_khz) /
+			info->frequency_khz * 100.0;
+
+		if (diff_pct > 10.0)
+		{
+			printf(_("WARNING: Calibrated TSC frequency differs by %.1f%% from the TSC frequency in use\n"),
+				   diff_pct);
+			printf(_("HINT: Consider setting timing_clock_source to 'system'. Report bugs to <%s>.\n"), PACKAGE_BUGREPORT);
+			exit(1);
+		}
+	}
+	else
+		printf(_("TSC calibration did not converge\n"));
+
+	/*
+	 * Report whether TSC was usable and, if so, whether it will be used
+	 * automatically.
+	 */
+	if (loop_count > 0)
+	{
 		pg_set_timing_clock_source(TIMING_CLOCK_SOURCE_AUTO);
 		if (pg_current_timing_clock_source() == TIMING_CLOCK_SOURCE_TSC)
-			printf(_("TSC clock source will be used by default, unless timing_clock_source is set to 'system'.\n"));
+			printf(_("\nTSC clock source will be used by default, unless timing_clock_source is set to 'system'.\n"));
 		else
-			printf(_("TSC clock source will not be used by default, unless timing_clock_source is set to 'tsc'.\n"));
+			printf(_("\nTSC clock source will not be used by default, unless timing_clock_source is set to 'tsc'.\n"));
 	}
 	else
-		printf(_("TSC clock source is not usable. Likely unable to determine TSC frequency. Are you running in an unsupported virtualized environment?\n"));
+		printf(_("\nTSC clock source is not usable. Likely unable to determine TSC frequency. Are you running in an unsupported virtualized environment?\n"));
 }
 #endif
 
diff --git a/src/common/instr_time.c b/src/common/instr_time.c
index fc6e1852c30..6af7693e210 100644
--- a/src/common/instr_time.c
+++ b/src/common/instr_time.c
@@ -70,6 +70,8 @@ static void set_ticks_per_ns(void);
 static void set_ticks_per_ns_system(void);
 
 #if PG_INSTR_TSC_CLOCK
+static TscClockSourceInfo tsc_info = {.calibrated_frequency_khz = -1};
+
 static bool tsc_use_by_default(void);
 static void set_ticks_per_ns_for_tsc(void);
 #endif
@@ -166,6 +168,7 @@ set_ticks_per_ns_system(void)
 #if PG_INSTR_TSC_CLOCK
 
 static void tsc_detect_frequency(void);
+static uint32 pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency(void);
 
 /*
  * Initialize the TSC clock source by determining its usability and frequency.
@@ -202,21 +205,50 @@ static void
 tsc_detect_frequency(void)
 {
 	timing_tsc_frequency_khz = 0;
+	tsc_info.frequency_khz = 0;
+	tsc_info.frequency_source[0] = '\0';
+
+	strlcat(tsc_info.frequency_source, "x86",
+			sizeof(tsc_info.frequency_source));
 
 	/* We require RDTSCP support and an invariant TSC, bail if not available */
-	if (!x86_feature_available(PG_RDTSCP) || !x86_feature_available(PG_TSC_INVARIANT))
+	if (!x86_feature_available(PG_RDTSCP))
+	{
+		strlcat(tsc_info.frequency_source, ", no rdtscp",
+				sizeof(tsc_info.frequency_source));
 		return;
+	}
+
+	if (!x86_feature_available(PG_TSC_INVARIANT))
+	{
+		strlcat(tsc_info.frequency_source, ", not invariant",
+				sizeof(tsc_info.frequency_source));
+		return;
+	}
 
 	/* Determine speed at which the TSC advances */
-	timing_tsc_frequency_khz = x86_tsc_frequency_khz();
+	timing_tsc_frequency_khz = x86_tsc_frequency_khz(tsc_info.frequency_source,
+													 sizeof(tsc_info.frequency_source));
 	if (timing_tsc_frequency_khz > 0)
+	{
+		tsc_info.frequency_khz = timing_tsc_frequency_khz;
 		return;
+	}
 
 	/*
 	 * CPUID did not give us the TSC frequency. We can instead measure the
 	 * frequency by comparing ticks against walltime in a calibration loop.
 	 */
-	timing_tsc_frequency_khz = pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency();
+	if (tsc_info.calibrated_frequency_khz < 0)
+		tsc_info.calibrated_frequency_khz = pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency();
+
+	timing_tsc_frequency_khz = tsc_info.calibrated_frequency_khz;
+	if (timing_tsc_frequency_khz > 0)
+	{
+		strlcat(tsc_info.frequency_source, ", calibration",
+				sizeof(tsc_info.frequency_source));
+		tsc_info.frequency_khz = timing_tsc_frequency_khz;
+	}
 }
 
 /*
@@ -282,7 +314,7 @@ tsc_use_by_default(void)
 #define TSC_CALIBRATION_ITERATIONS	1000000
 #define TSC_CALIBRATION_SKIPS		100
 #define TSC_CALIBRATION_STABLE_CYCLES	10
-uint32
+static uint32
 pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency(void)
 {
 	instr_time	initial_wall;
@@ -369,4 +401,24 @@ pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency(void)
 	return (uint32) freq_khz;
 }
 
+/*
+ * Returns TSC clock source information for diagnostic purposes.
+ *
+ * On first call, may run the TSC calibration loop (if not already done during
+ * frequency detection) which can take up to TSC_CALIBRATION_MAX_NS.
+ * Subsequent calls return cached results.
+ *
+ * Note: This won't return the right info in EXEC_BACKEND builds if this were
+ * used in the backend (which it currently is not), as tsc_info is not copied
+ * using read_backend_variables - only the TSC frequency is.
+ */
+const TscClockSourceInfo *
+pg_timing_tsc_clock_source_info(void)
+{
+	if (tsc_info.frequency_khz > 0 && tsc_info.calibrated_frequency_khz < 0)
+		tsc_info.calibrated_frequency_khz = pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency();
+
+	return &tsc_info;
+}
+
 #endif							/* PG_INSTR_TSC_CLOCK */
diff --git a/src/include/port/pg_cpu.h b/src/include/port/pg_cpu.h
index a5d42f1b68d..db4cd62f7ef 100644
--- a/src/include/port/pg_cpu.h
+++ b/src/include/port/pg_cpu.h
@@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ x86_feature_available(X86FeatureId feature)
 	return X86Features[feature];
 }
 
-extern uint32 x86_tsc_frequency_khz(void);
+extern uint32 x86_tsc_frequency_khz(char *source, size_t source_len);
 
 #endif							/* defined(USE_SSE2) || defined(__i386__) */
 
diff --git a/src/include/portability/instr_time.h b/src/include/portability/instr_time.h
index 92558e234ac..7cd4f38d827 100644
--- a/src/include/portability/instr_time.h
+++ b/src/include/portability/instr_time.h
@@ -165,10 +165,19 @@ extern PGDLLIMPORT int32 timing_tsc_frequency_khz;
 
 extern void pg_initialize_timing_tsc(void);
 
-extern uint32 pg_tsc_calibrate_frequency(void);
+typedef struct TscClockSourceInfo
+{
+	int32		frequency_khz;	/* from CPUID or calibration */
+	int32		calibrated_frequency_khz;	/* from calibration */
+	char		frequency_source[128];	/* describes how frequency was
+										 * determined */
+} TscClockSourceInfo;
+
+extern const TscClockSourceInfo *pg_timing_tsc_clock_source_info(void);
 
 #endif							/* PG_INSTR_TSC_CLOCK */
 
+
 /*
  * Returns the current timing clock source effectively in use, resolving
  * TIMING_CLOCK_SOURCE_AUTO to either TIMING_CLOCK_SOURCE_SYSTEM or
diff --git a/src/port/pg_cpu_x86.c b/src/port/pg_cpu_x86.c
index 150b4a1d574..513e9a6b706 100644
--- a/src/port/pg_cpu_x86.c
+++ b/src/port/pg_cpu_x86.c
@@ -13,7 +13,11 @@
  *-------------------------------------------------------------------------
  */
 
-#include "c.h"
+#ifndef FRONTEND
+#include "postgres.h"
+#else
+#include "postgres_fe.h"
+#endif
 
 #if defined(USE_SSE2) || defined(__i386__)
 
@@ -161,7 +165,7 @@ static uint32 x86_hypervisor_tsc_frequency_khz(void);
  * 0 indicates the frequency information was not accessible via CPUID.
  */
 uint32
-x86_tsc_frequency_khz(void)
+x86_tsc_frequency_khz(char *source, size_t source_len)
 {
 	unsigned int reg[4] = {0};
 
@@ -174,7 +178,17 @@ x86_tsc_frequency_khz(void)
 	 * to be wildly incorrect when virtualized.
 	 */
 	if (x86_feature_available(PG_HYPERVISOR))
-		return x86_hypervisor_tsc_frequency_khz();
+	{
+		uint32		freq = x86_hypervisor_tsc_frequency_khz();
+
+		if (source)
+		{
+			strlcat(source, ", hypervisor", source_len);
+			if (freq > 0)
+				strlcat(source, ", cpuid 0x40000010", source_len);
+		}
+		return freq;
+	}
 
 	/*
 	 * On modern Intel CPUs, the TSC is implemented by invariant timekeeping
@@ -207,6 +221,9 @@ x86_tsc_frequency_khz(void)
 		if (reg[EAX] == 0 || reg[EBX] == 0)
 			return 0;
 
+		if (source)
+			strlcat(source, ", cpuid 0x15", source_len);
+
 		return reg[ECX] / 1000 * reg[EBX] / reg[EAX];
 	}
 
@@ -217,7 +234,12 @@ x86_tsc_frequency_khz(void)
 	 */
 	pg_cpuid(0x16, reg);
 	if (reg[EAX] > 0)
+	{
+		if (source)
+			strlcat(source, ", cpuid 0x16", source_len);
+
 		return reg[EAX] * 1000;
+	}
 
 	return 0;
 }
diff --git a/src/tools/pgindent/typedefs.list b/src/tools/pgindent/typedefs.list
index ea95e7984bc..2137f1e0cfe 100644
--- a/src/tools/pgindent/typedefs.list
+++ b/src/tools/pgindent/typedefs.list
@@ -3090,6 +3090,7 @@ TParserStateActionItem
 TQueueDestReceiver
 TRGM
 TSAnyCacheEntry
+TscClockSourceInfo
 TSConfigCacheEntry
 TSConfigInfo
 TSDictInfo
-- 
2.47.1

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