(moving to a new thread)
On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 09:16:46PM -0500, Nathan Bossart wrote:
> On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 04:37:10PM +0000, Imseih (AWS), Sami wrote:
>> Also, Not sure if I am mistaken here, but the "+ 5" in the existing docs
>> seems wrong.
>>
>> If it refers to NUM_AUXILIARY_PROCS defined in
>> include/storage/proc.h, it should a "6"
>>
>> #define NUM_AUXILIARY_PROCS 6
>>
>> This is not a consequence of this patch, and can be dealt with
>> In a separate thread if my understanding is correct.
>
> Ha, I think it should actually be "+ 7"! The value is calculated as
>
> MaxConnections + autovacuum_max_workers + 1 + max_worker_processes +
> max_wal_senders + 6
>
> Looking at the history, this documentation tends to be wrong quite often.
> In v9.2, the checkpointer was introduced, and these formulas were not
> updated. In v9.3, background worker processes were introduced, and the
> formulas were still not updated. Finally, in v9.6, it was fixed in commit
> 597f7e3. Then, in v14, the archiver process was made an auxiliary process
> (commit d75288f), making the formulas out-of-date again. And in v17, the
> WAL summarizer was added.
>
> On top of this, IIUC you actually need even more semaphores if your system
> doesn't support atomics, and from a quick skim this doesn't seem to be
> covered in this documentation.
A couple of other problems I noticed:
* max_wal_senders is missing from this sentence:
When using System V semaphores,
<productname>PostgreSQL</productname> uses one semaphore per allowed
connection
(<xref linkend="guc-max-connections"/>), allowed autovacuum worker process
(<xref linkend="guc-autovacuum-max-workers"/>) and allowed background
process (<xref linkend="guc-max-worker-processes"/>), in sets of 16.
* AFAICT the discussion about the formulas in the paragraphs following the
table doesn't explain the reason for the constant.
* IMHO the following sentence is difficult to decipher, and I can't tell if
it actually matches the formula in the table:
The maximum number of semaphores in the system
is set by <varname>SEMMNS</varname>, which consequently must be at least
as high as <varname>max_connections</varname> plus
<varname>autovacuum_max_workers</varname> plus
<varname>max_wal_senders</varname>,
plus <varname>max_worker_processes</varname>, plus one extra for each 16
allowed connections plus workers (see the formula in <xref
linkend="sysvipc-parameters"/>).
At a bare minimum, we should probably fix the obvious problems, but I
wonder if we could simplify this section a bit, too. If the exact values
are important, maybe we could introduce more GUCs like
shared_memory_size_in_huge_pages that can be consulted (instead of
requiring users to break out their calculators).
--
Nathan Bossart
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