> What I'm still not clear on is why that HS is different. Whatever rules > apply on the master must also apply on the standby, immutably. Why is it > we need to pass explicit snapshot information from master to standby? We > don't do that, except at startup for normal HS. Why do we need that? > > I hear, but do not yet understand, that the SSI transaction sequence on > the master may differ from the WAL transaction sequence. Is it important > that the ordering on the master would differ from the standby?
The logical serializable ordering of transactions in SSI doesn't necessarily match the commit time ordering (i.e. the WAL sequence). For example, with two concurrent transactions, T1 might commit after T2, even though it didn't see the changes made by T2 and thus has to be considered "earlier". It doesn't matter whether T1 committed before T2 or the other way around, as long as no other transaction can tell the difference. If someone saw the changes made by T1 but not those made by T2, they'd see T2 as happening before T1, violating serializability. Our SSI code ensures that doesn't happen by tracking read dependencies. If it detects that such a read is happening, it rolls back one of the transactions involved. Now, if we extend this to hot standby, if T2 commits before T1 on the master, it obviously will on the slave too. A transaction run on the slave at the right time might be able to see that T2 has happened but not T1, which is unserializable. If that transaction had ben run on the master, then it would have been detected and something would have been rolled back, but the master has no way to know what data is being read on the slave. What Kevin is suggesting is that we already have a mechanism for identifying snapshots where serialization failures like these will never happen. If we pass that information to the slave and allow it to run transactions only on those snapshots, serializability is safe. Hopefully that made some more sense... Dan -- Dan R. K. Ports MIT CSAIL http://drkp.net/ -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (firstname.lastname@example.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers