Sorry..."designed" was poor choice of words, I meant "not unexpected".
 Doing the checkpoint right after pg_stop_backup() looks like it will work
perfectly for me, so thanks for all your help!

On a side note I am sporadically seeing another error on hotstandby startup.
 I'm not terribly concerned about it as it is pretty rare and it will work
on a retry so it's not a big deal.  The error is "FATAL:  out-of-order XID
insertion in KnownAssignedXids".  If you think it might be a bug and are
interested in hunting it down let me know and I'll help any way I can...but
if you're not too worried about it then neither am I :)

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Simon Riggs <> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Chris Redekop <>
> wrote:
> > hrmz, still basically the same behaviour.  I think it might be a *little*
> > better with this patch.  Before when under load it would start up quickly
> > maybe 2 or 3 times out of 10 attempts....with this patch it might be up
> to 4
> > or 5 times out of 10...ish...or maybe it was just fluke *shrug*.  I'm
> still
> > only seeing your log statement a single time (I'm running at debug2).  I
> > have discovered something though - when the standby is in this state if I
> > force a checkpoint on the primary then the standby comes right up.  Is
> there
> > anything I check or try for you to help figure this out?....or is it
> > actually as designed that it could take 10-ish minutes to start up even
> > after all clients have disconnected from the primary?
> Thanks for testing. The improvements cover specific cases, so its not
> subject to chance; its not a performance patch.
> It's not "designed" to act the way you describe, but it does.
> The reason this occurs is that you have a transaction heavy workload
> with occasional periods of complete quiet and a base backup time that
> is much less than checkpoint_timeout. If your base backup was slower
> the checkpoint would have hit naturally before recovery had reached a
> consistent state. Which seems fairly atypical. I guess you're doing
> this on a test system.
> It seems cheap to add in a call to LogStandbySnapshot() after each
> call to pg_stop_backup().
> Does anyone think this case is worth adding code for? Seems like one
> more thing to break.
> --
>  Simon Riggs         
>  PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services

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