On 6/8/13 5:17 PM, Jeff Janes wrote:

But my gut feeling is that if autovacuum is trying to read faster than
the hardware will support, it will just automatically get throttled, by
inherent IO waits, at a level which can be comfortably supported.  And
this will cause minimal interference with other processes.

If this were true all the time autovacuum tuning would be a lot easier. You can easily make a whole server unresponsive by letting loose one rogue process doing a lot of reads. Right now this isn't a problem for autovacuum because any one process running at 7.8MB/s is usually not a big deal. It doesn't take too much in the way of read-ahead logic and throughput to satisfy that. But I've seen people try and push the read rate upwards who didn't get very far beyond that before it was way too obtrusive.

I could collect some data from troubled servers to see how high I can push the read rate before they suffer. Maybe there's a case there for increasing the default read rate because the write one is a good enough secondary limiter. I'd be surprised if we could get away with more than a 2 or 3X increase though, and the idea of going unlimited is really scary. It took me a year of before/after data collection before I was confident that it's OK to run unrestricted in all cache hit situations.

Why is there so much random IO?  Do your systems have
autovacuum_vacuum_scale_factor set far below the default?  Unless they
do, most of the IO (both read and write) should be sequential.

Insert one process doing sequential reads into a stream of other activity and you can easily get random I/O against the disks out of the mix. You don't necessarily need the other activity to be random to get that. N sequential readers eventually acts like N random readers for high enough values of N. On busy servers, autovacuum is normally competing against multiple random I/O processes though.

Also, the database's theoretical model that block number correlates directly with location on disk can break down. I haven't put a hard number to measuring it directly, but systems with vacuum problems seem more likely to have noticeable filesystem level fragmentation. I've been thinking about collecting data from a few systems with filefrag to see if I'm right about that.

Greg Smith   2ndQuadrant US    g...@2ndquadrant.com   Baltimore, MD
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