Andres Freund <> writes:
> On 2014-06-18 13:24:14 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Andres Freund <> writes:
>>> On 2014-06-18 12:51:43 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>>>> Another angle is that some folks might have tried to automate things
>>>> even more, with a wrapper script that starts up the new postmaster
>>>> and runs all by itself.  I guess they could
>>>> make the wrapper do "vacuumdb --all --analyze-in-stages" directly,
>>>> though, so maybe that's not a fatal objection either.

>>> Wouldn't that be quite counterproductive? The reason we don't normally
>>> do that and why --analyze-in-stages exists is that the cluster should be
>>> started up as fast as possible. Restarting it after ANALYZE went through
>>> would be defeating that purpose, no?

>> How so?  Once you've started the postmaster, you're open for business,
>> no?

> Wasn't there lots of talk about making the server inaccessible while
> pg_upgrade is doing its thing? Also, many people are desparately unhappy
> if postgres has to be restarted (to return to be being OS managed) after
> their application already has connected.

I think we're not on the same page.  My point is that someone might want
to automate the whole sequence: stop old postmaster, run pg_upgrade, start
the updated postmaster normally (hence it *is* open for business), kick
off the analyze runs.  If you're concerned about minimal downtime you
would not want to be waiting around for the admin to issue a perfectly
predictable series of commands.

                        regards, tom lane

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