On 24 July 2015 at 19:21, Robert Haas <robertmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Simon Riggs <si...@2ndquadrant.com> > wrote: > > It depends on the exact design we use to get that. Certainly we do not > want > > them if they cause a significant performance regression. > > Yeah. I think the performance worries expressed so far are: > > - Currently, if you see an XID that is between the XMIN and XMAX of > the snapshot, you hit CLOG only on first access. After that, the > tuple is hinted. With this approach, the hint bit doesn't avoid > needing to hit CLOG anymore, because it's not enough to know whether > or not the tuple committed; you have to know the CSN at which it > committed, which means you have to look that up in CLOG (or whatever > SLRU stores this data). Heikki mentioned adding some caching to > ameliorate this problem, but it sounds like he was worried that the > impact might still be significant. >
This seems like the heart of the problem. Changing a snapshot from a list of xids into one number is easy. Making XidInMVCCSnapshot() work is the hard part because there needs to be a translation/lookup from CSN to determine if it contains the xid. That turns CSN into a reference to a cached snapshot, or a reference by which a snapshot can be derived on demand. > - Mixing synchronous_commit=on and synchronous_commit=off won't work > as well, because if the LSN ordering of commit records matches the > order in which transactions become visible, then an async-commit > transaction can't become visible before a later sync-commit > transaction. I expect we might just decide we can live with this, but > it's worth discussing in case people feel otherwise. > Using the Commit LSN as CSN seems interesting, but it is not the only choice. Commit LSN is not the precise order in which commits become visible because of the race condition between marking commit in WAL and marking commit in clog. That problem is accentuated by mixing async and sync, but that is not the only source of racing. -- Simon Riggs http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ <http://www.2ndquadrant.com/> PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
