25.03.2016 01:12, Peter Geoghegan:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Robert Haas <robertmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
I really like this idea, and the performance results seem impressive,
but I think we should push this out to 9.7.  A btree patch that didn't
have WAL support until two and a half weeks into the final CommitFest
just doesn't seem to me like a good candidate.  First, as a general
matter, if a patch isn't code-complete at the start of a CommitFest,
it's reasonable to say that it should be reviewed but not necessarily
committed in that CommitFest.
You're right.
Frankly, I thought that someone will help me with the path, but I had to finish it myself.
*off-topic*
I wonder, if we can add new flag to commitfest. Something like "Needs assistance",
which will be used to mark big and complicated patches in progress.
While "Needs review" means that the patch is almost ready and only requires the final review.


   This patch has had some review, but I'm
not sure how deep that review is, and I think it's had no code review
at all of the WAL logging changes, which were submitted only a week
ago, well after the CF deadline.  Second, the btree AM is a
particularly poor place to introduce possibly destabilizing changes.
Everybody depends on it, all the time, for everything.  And despite
new tools like amcheck, it's not a particularly easy thing to debug.
Regrettably, I must agree. I don't see a plausible path to commit for
this patch in the ongoing CF.

I think that Anastasia did an excellent job here, and I wish I could
have been of greater help sooner. Nevertheless, it would be unwise to
commit this given the maturity of the code. There have been very few
instances of performance improvements to the B-Tree code for as long
as I've been interested, because it's so hard, and the standard is so
high. The only example I can think of from the last few years is
Kevin's commit 2ed5b87f96 and Tom's commit 1a77f8b63d both of which
were far less invasive, and Simon's commit c7111d11b1, which we just
outright reverted from 9.5 due to subtle bugs (and even that was
significantly less invasive than this patch). Improving nbtree is
something that requires several rounds of expert review, and that's
something that's in short supply for the B-Tree code in particular. I
think that a new testing strategy is needed to make this easier, and I
hope to get that going with amcheck. I need help with formalizing a
"testing first" approach for improving the B-Tree code, because I
think it's the only way that we can move forward with projects like
this. It's *incredibly* hard to push forward patches like this given
our current, limited testing strategy.

Unfortunately, I must agree. This patch seems to be far from final version until the feature freeze.
I'll move it to the future commitfest.

Anyway it means, that now we have more time to improve the patch.
If you have any ideas related to this patch like prefix/suffix compression, I'll be glad to discuss them.
Same for any other ideas of B-tree optimization.

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Anastasia Lubennikova
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