> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frost [mailto:sfr...@snowman.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 19:10
> To: l...@laurent-hasson.com
> Cc: pgsql-performance@lists.postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: Updating large tables without dead tuples
> Greetings,
> * l...@laurent-hasson.com (l...@laurent-hasson.com) wrote:
> > This was done during a maintenance window, and that table is read-only
> except when we ETL data to it on a weekly basis, and so I was just wondering
> why I should pay the "bloat" penalty for this type of transaction. Is there a 
> trick
> that could be use here?
> Yes, create a new table and INSERT the data into that table, then swap the new
> table into place as the old table.  Another option, if you don't mind the
> exclusive lock taken on the table, is to dump the data to another table, then
> TRUNCATE the current one and then INSERT into it.
> There's other options too, involving triggers and such to allow updates and
> other changes to be captured during this process, avoiding the need to lock 
> the
> table, but that gets a bit complicated.
> > More generally, I suspect that the MVCC architecture is so deep that
> something like LOCK TABLE, which would guarantee that there won't be
> contentions, couldn't be used as a heuristic to not create dead tuples? That
> would make quite a performance improvement for this type of work though.
> I'm afraid it wouldn't be quite that simple, particularly you have to think 
> about
> what happens when you issue a rollback...
> Thanks!
> Stephen

[Laurent Hasson] 
[Laurent Hasson] 
This table several other tables with foreign keys into it... So any physical 
replacement of the table wouldn't work I believe. I'd have to disable/remove 
the foreign keys across the other tables, do this work, and then re-set the 
foreign keys. Overall time in aggregate may not be much shorter than the 
current implementation.

This table represents Hospital visits, off of which hang a lot of other 
information. The updated column in that Visits table is not part of the key.

As for the rollback, I didn't think about it because in our case, short of a 
db/hardware failure, this operation wouldn't fail... But the risk is there and 
I understand the engine must be prepared for anything and fulfill the ACID 

With respect to that, I read in many places that an UPDATE is effectively a 
DELETE + INSERT. Does that mean in the rollback logs, there are 2 entries for 
each row updated as a result?

Thank you,

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