Hello Michael,

Here is the information : I had executed explain analyze with modified
FROM clause.

Oops forgot to mention the version earlier.

Using postgres 8.0.0 on Solaris 9.

Rows Count :

cic=# select count(*) from taxpack_user;
(1 row)

cic=# select count(*) from ecms_certificate_types;
(1 row)

cic=# select count(*) from ecms_cert_headers;
(1 row)

Table Information :

                  Table "ecms.ecms_certificate_types"
            Column            |            Type             | Modifiers
 certificate_type_id          | smallint                    | not null
 certificate_type_description | character varying(60)       |
 created_by                   | character varying(30)       |
 created_date                 | timestamp without time zone |
 updated_by                   | character varying(30)       |
 updated_date                 | timestamp without time zone |
    "sys_c003733" PRIMARY KEY, btree (certificate_type_id)
    "pk_ecms_certificate_types" UNIQUE, btree (certificate_type_id)

 Table "ecms.ecms_cert_headers"
       Column        |            Type             | Modifiers
 dln_code            | character varying(10)       | not null
 sun_legal_entity    | character varying(12)       | not null
 other_entity_name   | character varying(20)       |
 company_name        | character varying(80)       | not null
 certificate_date    | timestamp without time zone | not null
 certificate_type_id | smallint                    | not null
 description         | character varying(80)       | not null
 blanket_single      | character(1)                | not null
 notes               | character varying(4000)     |
 certificate_status  | character(1)                | not null
 approved_by         | character varying(30)       |
 approved_date       | timestamp without time zone |
 created_by          | character varying(30)       |
 created_date        | timestamp without time zone |
 updated_by          | character varying(30)       |
 updated_date        | timestamp without time zone |
    "pk_ecms_cert_headers" UNIQUE, btree (dln_code)
    "ecms_cert_headers_idx1" btree (certificate_type_id)
    "ecms_cert_headers_idx2" btree (company_name)
    "ecms_cert_headers_idx3" btree (description)
Foreign-key constraints:
    "sys_c003754" FOREIGN KEY (certificate_type_id) REFERENCES

  Table "ecms.taxpack_user"
   Column   |         Type          | Modifiers
 emp_no     | character varying(12) | not null
 name       | character varying(60) | not null
 manager_id | character varying(12) |
 dept_no    | character varying(12) |
 mailstop   | character varying(12) |
 phone      | character varying(60) |
 email      | character varying(60) |
 active     | character varying(3)  | not null
 admin      | smallint              | not null
 super_user | smallint              | not null

Merge Right Join  (cost=1757437.54..21072796.15 rows=643816513 width=874)
(actual time=27800.250..27800.256 rows=1 loops=1)
   Merge Cond: ("outer"."?column3?" = "inner"."?column17?")
   ->  Sort  (cost=30776.19..31207.80 rows=172645 width=64) (actual
time=12229.482..12791.468 rows=172645 loops=1)
         Sort Key: (e.emp_no)::text
         ->  Seq Scan on taxpack_user e  (cost=0.00..4898.45 rows=172645
width=64) (actual time=0.050..1901.218 rows=172645 loops=1)
   ->  Sort  (cost=1726661.35..1728525.92 rows=745827 width=859) (actual
time=12675.899..12675.901 rows=1 loops=1)
         Sort Key: (a.approved_by)::text
         ->  Merge Left Join  (cost=29219.87..40411.59 rows=745827 width=859)
(actual time=12675.815..12675.830 rows=1 loops=1)
               Merge Cond: ("outer"."?column18?" = "inner"."?column2?")
               ->  Sort  (cost=7106.77..7108.93 rows=864 width=892) (actual
time=1441.644..1441.646 rows=1 loops=1)
                     Sort Key: (a.updated_by)::text
                     ->  Nested Loop Left Join  (cost=0.00..7064.62 rows=864
width=892) (actual time=435.864..1441.465 rows=1 loops=1)
                           Join Filter: (("outer".created_by)::text =
                           ->  Nested Loop Left Join  (cost=0.00..8.11 rows=1
width=877) (actual time=0.251..0.361 rows=1 loops=1)
                                 Join Filter: ("outer".certificate_type_id =
                                 ->  Index Scan using pk_ecms_cert_headers on
ecms_cert_headers a  (cost=0.00..6.01 rows=1 width=829) (actual
time=0.113..0.136 rows=1 loops=1)
                                       Index Cond: ((dln_code)::text =
                                 ->  Seq Scan on ecms_certificate_types b
(cost=0.00..1.49 rows=49 width=50) (actual time=0.018..0.059 rows=10 loops=1)
                        ->  Seq Scan on taxpack_user c  (cost=0.00..4898.45
rows=172645 width=64) (actual time=0.014..674.881 rows=172645 loops=1)
               ->  Sort  (cost=22113.10..22544.71 rows=172645 width=16) (actual
time=10689.742..10885.155 rows=71665 loops=1)
                     Sort Key: (d.emp_no)::text
                     ->  Seq Scan on taxpack_user d  (cost=0.00..4898.45
rows=172645 width=16) (actual time=0.031..1791.036 rows=172645 loops=1)
 Total runtime: 27802.014 ms
(23 rows)

Michael Alan Dorman wrote On 11/09/05 12:45,:
> Ashok Agrawal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>I noticed outer join is very very slow in postgresql as compared
>>to Oracle.
> I think the three things the people best able to help you are going to
> ask for are 1) what version of PostgreSQL, 2) what are the tables, and
> how many rows in each, and 3) output from 'explain analyze' rather
> than just 'explain'.
> That said, I'm willing to take an amateurish stab at it even without
> that.
> In fact, I don't think the outer joins are the issue at all.  I see
> that you're forcing a right join from ecms_certificate_types to
> ecms_cert_headers.  This seems to be causing postgresql to think it
> must (unnecessarily) consider three quarters of a billion rows, which,
> if I'm reading right, seems to be producing the majority of the
> estimated cost:
>> Hash Join  (cost=1666049.74..18486619.37 rows=157735046 width=874)
>>   Hash Cond: ("outer".certificate_type_id = "inner".certificate_type_id)
>>   ->  Merge Right Join  (cost=1666048.13..11324159.05 rows=643816513 
>> width=826)
> In fact, looking at the fact that you're doing a COALESCE on a column
> from b, it seems to me that doing a right join from ecms_cert_headers
> to ecms_certificate_types is just wrong.  It seems to me that that
> should be a left join as well.
> With that in mind, I would rewrite the whole FROM clause as:
>            FROM ecms_cert_headers a
> LEFT OUTER JOIN ecms_certificate_types b
>              ON (a.certificate_type_id = b.certificate_type_id)
> LEFT OUTER JOIN taxpack_user c
>              ON (a.created_by = c.emp_no)
> LEFT OUTER JOIN taxpack_user d
>              ON (a.updated_by = d.emp_no)
> LEFT OUTER JOIN taxpack_user e
>              ON (a.approved_by = e.emp_no)
>           WHERE a.dln_code = '17319'
> It seems to me that this more reflects the intent of the data that is
> being retrieved.  I would also expect it to be a boatload faster.
> Assuming I've understood the intent correctly, I would guess that the
> difference is the result of the Oracle planner being able to eliminate
> the right join or something.
> Mike
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