What's wrong with tinyx/kdrive and gtk? 
-> To big, (Widgets do not fit for a screen size of e.g. 128 x 128)

try Evas from enlightenment.org ? 
-> To big (what about Widgets ?)

Matchbox ?
-> is NOT a GUI...it uses also tiny-X and is used in GPE-Project as a
launcher-app

The problem is, that we are looking for a GUI solution, which is small (that
means < 500 k) wich
does NOT have dependencies to any big libs like imlib, xlib, gtk, pango etc.
or works with X (even tinyX is to big to fit on a small embedded device with
4 MB Flash/8 MB RAM). 
PicoGui is a modular design which provides also useful widgets and a robust
client/ server
principle. In addition to that, the consequently separation between content
and presentation (theming capabilities) is the coolest thing (but no good
description for that) within PicoGui. This can be used to modify the look
and feel for a mobile device.
At least Escali did a good job starting to create a Smartphone Platform
using PicoGui, 
but they did not find a vendor for that (that's pitty) and the sources are
not available to create
a competitor to commercial product like Symbian/MS-Mobile/Qt-Phone-Edition. 

This is what Pico-Gui could be used for...

cu
Claus

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   1. Re: current picGUI status (Raphael Mack)
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   3. RE: current picGUI status (Nemec, Bernhard)
   4. Re: What is picogui being used for? (Peter Graf)

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Message: 1
From: Raphael Mack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Pgui-devel] current picGUI status
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:13:27 +0100

Am Sonntag, 21. M=E4rz 2004 21:10 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 01:06:09PM +0100, Raphael Mack wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 21. M?rz 2004 12:17 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > any suggestions? - I search something that is fast, small, that 
> > doesn't need X (fbdev), it should have a easy C-interface (or 
> > directly Eiffel, but I gave that up and made friends with creating a 
> > wrapper). I don't need all these things like tooltips...
>
> What's wrong with tinyx/kdrive and gtk?

I don't exactly know, I didn't test it on the target system, but as I compi=
led=20 gtk on my development machine, I had the impression that there are
many=20 dependencies, like pango, freetype, ... and the whole thing will
become big= =2E=20 GTK is very compfortable and supports many things I
really don't need, that= 's=20 why I would like s. th. smaller. - I know
that for example the size of the= =20 packages doesn't always say too much
about the size and speed of the=20 resulting binary, but it at least a bit I
think... This was just an=20 impression I didn't have with picogui...

I didn't take a closer look to matchbox, but I will check it out. Thanks.

Rapha



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:24:26 -0300
From: Lalo Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Pgui-devel] current picGUI status

On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 08:27:48PM +0100, Raphael Mack wrote:
> I tried to find out more about the current
> status of the project, but many pages are a bit old and surfing around 
> picogui.org confuses me a bit... So I would be interested about the status
of 
> the project and bit information about when what will be released or better
is 
> planned to be released

well, if it helps, I updated the main page
(http://www.picogui.org) with an honest account of the current status of
development.

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Message: 3
From: "Nemec, Bernhard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Raphael Mack' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
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Subject: RE: [Pgui-devel] current picGUI status
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:00:12 +0100

> 
> any suggestions? - I search something that is fast, small,
> that doesn't need X 
> (fbdev), it should have a easy C-interface (or directly 
> Eiffel, but I gave 
> that up and made friends with creating a wrapper). I don't 
> need all these 
> things like tooltips...

You should try Evas from enlightenment.org.
Get the latest version from their CVS (e17/libs/evas).

Cheers,
Bernhard


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:59:42 +0100
From: Peter Graf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Pgui-devel] Re: What is picogui being used for?

Micah wrote:

>With the recent traffic on this list, I've become curious. What is 
>PicoGUI being used for these days?
>  
>
I only watch, just in case someone more capable than me introduces 
abstraction from Unixish dependencies. I'd use it as display for motor 
controllers, and probably also to provide a desktop GUI.

Peter




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