On 05 Apr 2014, at 21:48, Hilaire Fernandes <[email protected]> wrote:

> Still, I do not get why the newer packages are not loadable with
> configurations instead of been carved in the image. Why can't packages
> developers provide such configurations?

sure give us a list?
        - RB
        - Nautilus
        - spec 
        - Keychain
        - key mapping
        - smart suggestions
        - …..
        - and many more

do you want an image by default without any tools? I do but we need time.

So what we want to do is
        - to have a core mage that the one people use is based on the core + 
the loading of the components
        and now we are arriving to this situation because before we did not 
have 
                command-line
                jenkins
        - for Pharo 4.0 we will get there. Now since it is not easy to unload 
tools, and I’m busy with other aspects of work 
        we could not do it the way you describe it but this is what we want.
        
        => why did we fail
        ok you have a core and some nice configurations
        then a guy report a bug and a fixe
        from this 
        core and configuration we should create a new core AND correctly 
loading configurations and this is not fully automated yet.
        have a look at Pharo/SystemConfigurations
        You take unReloader you run the scripts and you load the configurations.
        when they fail you fix them and restart. I have been doing that a lot 
and we will continue but this is booooooring.
        So we should build tools and so far I do not see many people 
**Helping** beside pavel on this task

so you are right we are concious about it but no resources. 

> Why don't we have an image
> without those packages? Then public images built with. Is it not what
> Jenkins is supposed to do?
> I am afraid the situation looks like Etoys carved in Squeak.

We are fighting against it.
> 
> Hilaire
> 
> Le 05/04/2014 18:32, Marcus Denker a écrit :
>> Yes, we need to look into a more modular build in Pharo4… to not just load 
>> updates
>> on the server but instead build from a small core (and possibly even from a 
>> bootstrap).
> 
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