S Krish wrote > labelling ( falsely ), that will give no impact / or add any value to the > perception of people.
This is the crux of it. It perfectly illustrates two misunderstandings: 1. The idea that "Smalltalk-inspired" is "false". This is a classic "Blind men and an elephant" problem [1]. As I explained in my OP, Smalltalk is an overloaded term (ST-80 vs. continually evolving dynabook software), so "Smalltalk" is as "false" to the 99.9% of developers as "Smalltalk-inspired" is "false" to us 0.1%. But neither is false. Each tells a different part of the same story to a different audience. I'm describing the elephant's tail, and you're feeling the trunk, arguing that "that's not what an elephant is" ;) 2. That the exact words aren't that important. If we look at the $87 billion spent globally on advertising and marketing [2], and the U.S. political system, we see that money and power disagrees. And, Esteban just gave a real world example of how calling Pharo "Smalltalk" has a very real negative impact. I've made these arguments a few times as we've discussed this topic. Even though it doesn't seem that important, I've taken the time because we are a budding community and it seems extra important to be united. At the same time, we've gone around and around with this. And previous responses after I've made what I consider IMHO to be a logical case, have been something like, "yeah but it's a lie. It *is* Smalltalk!" which doesn't speak at all to my two main points. And, I may be wrong!!! And if I am, I want to know! So will someone who believes "we shouldn't call it Smalltalk-inspired" do me the great honor of refuting the above instead of stating that "Smalltalk-inspired" is a false statement, which I've addressed in point #1. Thanks ;-P [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant [2] http://www.reportlinker.com/ci02379/Advertising-and-Marketing.html ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/a-Pharo-talk-from-a-ruby-conference-tp4756805p4756995.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
