I may have more interesting fish to fry on the horizon... Let's keep in touch :-)
Phil Le 21 sept. 2014 17:08, "Frank Shearar" <frank.shea...@gmail.com> a écrit : > On 20 September 2014 11:04, p...@highoctane.be <p...@highoctane.be> wrote: > > > > Le 20 sept. 2014 10:57, "Frank Shearar" <frank.shea...@gmail.com> a > écrit : > > > > > >> > >> On 20 September 2014 08:45, p...@highoctane.be <p...@highoctane.be> > wrote: > >> > A > >> > Le 20 sept. 2014 03:27, "Alain Rastoul" <alf.mmm....@gmail.com> a > écrit > >> > : > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Le 20/09/2014 02:33, p...@highoctane.be a écrit : > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> We'll prevail! > >> >>> > >> >>> What we also need to do is to showcase the Smalltalk workflow and > how > >> >>> nice it is. > >> >>> > >> >>> We cannot gain mindshare by technical prowess only. > >> >>> > >> >>> Phil > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I totally agree with you, > >> >> but I think that those technical advances are vital in current > >> >> technology > >> >> trends (saas, cloud, server side dev) and progress in this field is > >> >> important. > >> >> > >> >> Despite the fact I think that Smalltalk still has an advance in > object > >> >> oriented systems/development, and offers a different perception it is > >> >> hard > >> >> to get the point about object system with people who are formatted by > >> >> the > >> >> hype or by their experience. Discussing with collegues about some > >> >> smalltalk > >> >> concepts is always interesting :) > >> >> > >> >> > >> > I am facing quite some people who are in the FP bandwagon and wonder > how > >> > to > >> > bridge with their views. Like classes are just functions etc. > >> > >> The article that convinced me that objects are higher order functions > >> (that close over a set of variables) is here: > >> http://letoverlambda.com/index.cl/guest/chap2.html > >> > >> The meat of the article (as far as class/object/function > >> correspondences goes) starts at "Let over Lambda". > >> > > > > Thanks for the reference. > > > > I still can't get myself to plunge into that I've to admit. > > It certainly helps if you can speak a bit of Lisp. Or an ML language, > if you just ignore the ()s. "let over fun" would be the ML/Haskell/F# > version. > > > The issue is that there are not too many people grasping this in typical > > business applications. Not to mention staffing teams. > > > > How do you use this in practice? > > I don't :) Mostly, I find this stuff valuable in understanding new > programming languages. If you know the bones of computing, you > recognise the common patterns between languages. Helps me get up to > speed with new technologies. > > > I know you do lots of magic at your company. I also know that therr > aren't > > that many Frank S. around... > > Sadly, I don't do much magic at work anymore: just doing CRUD in the > cloud nowadays, and trying to talk sense into my colleagues. > > frank > > > Phil > > > >> frank > >> > >> > Phil > >> > >
