Le 24/11/2014 22:17, kilon alios a écrit :
really nice thanks, loadDevelopment did not work for me, but loadStables
worked.
Oh, tell me which Configuration you used, it should have worked. Pharo3
or 4?
I really like your browser, it has really streamlined the GUI
design, my only objection so far is that it does not resize its height
completely looks like it has some kind of enforced limit which is a pity
because it has such a minimum gui it would be easy to resize to just a
few lines of code which is what most methods are.
Oh, you mean making it really small? There is probably a hard-coded
limit somewhere, sorry, I never thought of that :(
I am not a fan of tree
like browsing because it wastes gui space the more you expand branches,
but its certainly a lot more compact than the 3 pane approach. I also
like the way you organised the packages very much and that you make a
separate entry for class comments. Its not far from the browser I was
imagining.
well done :)
Thanks!
Don't hesitate to fork it and play all your content with the code. If it
can help you build your dream IDE, I'll be proud :)
Thierry
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Thierry Goubier
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Le 24/11/2014 21:10, kilon alios a écrit :
Well I would love to look at your code because I was imagining doing
something similar , no reason to reinvent the wheel, of course
assuming
you dont mind sharing your code. Especially uniting the tools
under one
roof and extending the shortcuts is a big win for me.
Well, the code is on github
(http://github.com/__ThierryGoubier/AltBrowser.git
<http://github.com/ThierryGoubier/AltBrowser.git>)__.
Some of the stuff I'm fairly proud of. It has a very simple command
framework, where each command can set a shortcut / a menu entry / be
active or non active, be selection dependent or not. It overrides
the default shortcuts (including the text ones), so you can reroute
the keyboard in almost any way you like. Adding a new command is,
what, 5 one liners methods (and you have access to smart suggestions
of course, since it's where it started).
It also has all the code for tracking code changes, well, the
necessary IDE stuff ;) It also has some fairly good drag and drop code.
Its kinda funny I have considered several times to quit Pharo to
go back
to coding with python. More libraries , many great libraries,
tons of
documentation, even real time tutorials like codeacademy etc etc
. Then
I ask "sound great what IDE should I use that easy to modify on
the fly
and has a big enough community to help out that are friendly to
newcomers..... you know... Pharo is not that bad :D "
The truth is that for dynamic language the IDEs are around the
same size
in term on people working on it as is Pharo , pyDev for example
which is
the eclipse plugin for python support has 1 person and few other
commiters, emacs python is pretty much abandonware and some
other IDEs
are again small teams, talking about open source. And I dont
even go in
the subject how easy it is to modify those IDEs. Pharo is the
first IDE
/ enviroment that I find it enjoyable to hack.
I totally agree that creating code that fits like a glove for
your needs
is ideal. But then open source usually starts like this, someone
needed
a tool, another tool existed but it did not get the job done the
way the
author wanted , or the code was too hard to extend , so he sit
downs and
makes some stuff and then says "lets open source it some people
may find
it useful as much as I do.
I agree with that. You offer as open source, sometimes all of it,
sometimes pieces of it (or ideas, or a motivation), sometimes
none... But when it also amount to making it cool for yourself, then
its really great.
So yes I do complain for time to time about Pharo but only because I
really love Pharo , I think its awesome and I love to see what
people do
with it because I find that many ideas I have about the ideal
IDE are
not as special as I think and many people end up sharing the
same ideas
with me. This only makes me happier even more when I find a new
idea I
could have never figure out by myself : )
Then enjoy yourself :)
Thierry
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Thierry Goubier
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.__com
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Le 24/11/2014 19:51, kilon alios a écrit :
>> I'm certainly a good example of that. My Pharo is
mine!
(and I have
an IDE I like which is truly
mine :P)
And I can only encourage you to do the same ;)
what you mean ? you have customised pharo for your
needs ? care
to share
, I am very interested :)
Well, yes, I did another system browser because I wanted to
try a
few things. And it kind of grow on you when you do that, so
now its
mine :) especially if, like me, you're not too successfull in
promoting it ;).
It has grown to be a very significant part of what I use,
because it
replace many parts of the Pharo GUI now: the finder,
Nautilus, the
message/method list. And I've learned a lot doing so, like
how to be
reasonable: I need a working system, not one which will be
extraordinary 10 years down the road.
I need something a guy can maintain and keep in sync with Pharo
easily: done, it's only 4k lines (Nautilus is > 12k
lines)... As it
is a just for me, it's a no compromise thing: just what
suits me and
my workflow in Pharo and outside Pharo.
I would like to have emacs-shortcuts for all functions?
Easy mate,
could do! I want different menus? Check! I want a state of
the art
keyboard selection in a tree? Check! I want that browsers
windows
opens faster? Check! I want to have windows smaller to
better fit my
small screen? Check! I want to keep the same UI when
searching /
drilling down? Check! I want to be happy with the GUI I
use? Check!
All this of course is building on Pharo strengths: an easy,
open
platform where building a new IDE is fairly simple (not
that well
documented, however). But there is nowhere else you could
imagine
doing that, apart from the Pharo and Smalltalk communities :)
Thierry
