Le 14/01/2015 04:39, Joerg Beekmann, DeepCove Labs a écrit :
Hi

I've been exploring the possibility of hosting the Squeak/Pharo VM on MirageOS. MirageOS 
is a Unikernal or  "Library OS" where rather than creating an executable to be 
run on Linux the compiler analyses dependencies right down through the device drivers and 
creates a kernel that can be booted on Amazon AWS EC2.
     http://www.openmirage.org/
     http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2566628
     
http://blog.acolyer.org/2015/01/13/unikernels-library-operating-systems-for-the-cloud/

It seems to me that having a Smalltalk hosed in this environment would be quite 
useful on a number of fronts:
* A simple build and deploy of Smalltalk to the cloud. The Mirage group is 
building unikernals from sources and then because they are small committing the 
entire kernel to GitHub and then pushing the kernel to AWS EC2. Web sites and 
APIs are an obvious application.  
http://amirchaudhry.com/from-jekyll-to-unikernel-in-fifty-lines/.
* Smalltalk on small devices. The Mirage group is running Xen with mirage on 
small Intel and ARM boards. See 
http://openmirage.org/blog/announcing-mirage-20-release/.
* These kernels can be very small, on the order of 0.25Meg for minimal HTTP 
servers with boot times in the ms range. A project called Jitsu 
https://github.com/MagnusS/jitsu modifies a DNS server to boot kernels in 
response to socket requests. The system making the request is unaware of the 
boot.
* The Mirage group envisions thousands of kernels running on a single 
Hypervisor with his speed inter-kernel communications. See 
http://openmirage.org/blog/update-on-vchan. The facilitates Smalltalk systems 
consisting of a swarm of communicating images where each image is single 
threaded and concurrency is via message passing.

I've corresponded with the MirageOS group asking if they thought a language VM could be 
hosted on Mirage. The discussion is here: 
http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/mirageos-devel/2015-01/msg00053.html. Assuming 
we understood each other it seems the answer is "yes that should be possible".

My question is what would be involved on the Smalltalk side? I presume the effort is going to 
be mostly in the VM. Based on the conversation on the Mirage list I think the VM will need to 
be able to run a Library with an entry point called by Mirage. That seems similar to the 
" Embedding/VM as a DLL" project proposed here: 
http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/cog-projects/. Is this project active? The comment 
indicates this is mostly refactoring & repackaging. Anyone have a perspective on this?

Best regards

Joerg






Given that the openmirage kernel is written mostly in ocaml, I think that the "port" of the vm could imply quite some work, like rewriting the plugins (socket at first), dealing with Ocaml bindings etc. and not easy at all.

Digging into that, I went across the rump kernel, and think that it may be much simpler to deal with than openmirage, with some nice other features (micro or dedicated kernels) that could make the pharo system a pharo os.
see
http://rumpkernel.org/
and http://lib.tkk.fi/Diss/2012/isbn9789526049175/isbn9789526049175.pdf
It is still a unix kernel (NetBDS)
written in C so more friendly to lot of developers and much simpler for pharo vm port
integrates well in xen and other hypervisors
can be run without the hypervisor platform
can be tailored at will, and give very lean systems.
Extremely interesting


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Regards,

Alain


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