Nicolai,
It is good to encourage this, but it is a reality that it is a lot of
work to do a good job of complaining and criticizing and personally I
have a talk at ESUG that needs work, so I won't have the luxury of
detailed criticisms much longer :) and I'm sure that this is an issue
for others as well ...
But if all of us make a point to "complain" when we hit an annoying
issue AND have the time to complain, then eventually you guys will get
the kind of feedback that you need to make better decisions, compromises
and preferences...
Dale
On 8/7/16 7:33 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote:
2016-08-07 16:10 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com
<mailto:tu...@tudorgirba.com>>:
Hi Dale,
Thanks for your thoughts. And thanks for giving these new quirks
time to settle :).
Actually, I am looking for what is annoying and I specifically
interested in the reasons why it is annoying. Please feel free to
report the bits that annoy you.
+1
Pharo is not an environment where we should live with annoyance.
I would encourage people to report anything that disturbs the daily
work and discuss what behavior or gui layout is expected and what
could be done
better. I am sure we can not find a way to satisfy all, we have
different workflows and different expectations, but it is better to
talk about, instead of just live with it.
Cheers,
Doru
> On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Dale Henrichs
<dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com
<mailto:dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 8/7/16 6:16 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>> Hi Stef,
>>
>>
>> That is why we made the default printing not affect the text
editor, and this feature is around since almost 2 years and,
except of you, there was no other complain.
>>
> I believe that this is a logical fallacy ... many developers are
too busy actually trying to do work with these tools and don't
have time or inclination to get involved in an argument :)
>
> There are a number of odd, awkward, hidden, "old way does not
work anymore" things that I am running into as I have just been
using Pharo5.0 for a couple of months ... I understand that when
the GUI changes one must give it a little bit of time to "settle
in" and see if my annoyance is due to the fact that things have
changed or if the "old way was better" ...
>
> I don't like the funky popup prints either --- they often
obscure the underlying text and when I do something to see the
underlying text I lose the printout --- occasionally it is useful
as a preview but that's not the only use case .. often the result
is what I want ...
>
> But I am trying to do real work and I really don't have the time
to get into an embroiled argument over things so far I feel less
productive (the debugger buttons are a real annoyance) but perhaps
with practice and patience I will eventually see the light of
putting heavily used menu items off in a corner ...
>
> BTW, I've basically given up on using browser shortcuts
altogether ... I am assuming that the shortcuts will be changing
yet again in 6.0 so I'm not going to try to memorize shortcuts
that will be changing every 6 months :)
>
> While I am complaining --- is there a way to be able to change
the width of the inspector panes in a debugger? I'm almost never
able to see what I want to see in the inspector panes because they
aren't wide enough and unlike every other pane in the universe, I
can't grab the pane and change its width ... I'm sure you have a
good argument for why it can't be moved --- but that doesn't stop
me from being annoyed ...
>
> Optimized code is often uglier than the cleanly crafted
beautiful code that runs too damn slow ...
>
> I could go on and on, but I'm sure you've good reasons for all
of the the things that you have changed and this isn't the only
GUI in the world that is annoying to use :)
>
> Remember that I am still in the phase of "give it a little bit
of time to "settle in" and see if my annoyance is due to the fact
that things have changed or if the "old way was better" ... "
>
> Dale
>
>
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