Dale, > Am 21.10.2016 um 16:12 schrieb Dale Henrichs > <dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com>: > > Norbert, > > I didn't realize that you were claiming that the new text model for Sparta > was (potentially) inferior. > The other day you were expressing sadness about having to use the newer > version of Metacello (which is *only* 3 years old), so I assumed that you > were just being generally cranky about change:). > it might be true it is a current topic for me. In my struggle to establish a solid devlopment process I have sometimes the feeling it is impossible. Especially when the new metacello thingie improves something I don't know but at the same time I loose Versionner and the commandline handlers which I know :) The current (!) complaint is rather based on the fact that everything regarding the graphics backend, widget and tools appears sometimes as an indefinite loop of reinventing stuff and improving and never get the job done. Did I mention 64bit, UFFI,… I'm glad all these topics are worked one and I see a bright future if half of them are done. But then sometimes it looks rather dark and the light at the end of the tunnel just went off :)
<dark mode off/> Norbert > Dale > > On 10/21/16 6:50 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> Dale, >> >> I was not arguing against evolution. I was refering to the fact that work of >> others is mostly ignored just to come up with a potential weaker solution. >> >> Norbert >> >>> Am 21.10.2016 um 15:34 schrieb Dale Henrichs >>> <dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com >>> <mailto:dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com>>: >>> >>> Norbert, >>> >>> It is also called evolution ... with each step forward new possibilities >>> are revealed and often the old (current) way of doing things needs to >>> change to better leverage these new possibilities ... and evolution is >>> required[4]. >>> Change is also painful and keeping up with an ever-changing system takes a >>> lot of individual effort. >>> >>> If you don't want to deal with change, then pick a Pharo version and stick >>> with it ... Pharo3.0 is still functional and I for one make sure that all >>> new versions of Metacello work on older versions of Squeak, Pharo and >>> GemStone[1] --- but you don't have to use the newer version of Metacello if >>> you don't want to:). >>> >>> I use Pharo3.0 on a daily basis for tODE -- I decided that I wanted to >>> spend my time evolving and changing tODE itself rather than spend a portion >>> of every year porting to a newer version of Pharo. Fortunately I don't NEED >>> the fancy new widgets in Pharo3.0 to make progress with tODE. >>> Metacello is not the only project to ensure that it continues to function >>> on older versions of Pharo. Seaside[2], Voyage[3] and I'm sure others make >>> an effort to continue to function on older versions of Pharo --- the >>> technology exists for maintaining compatibility with older versions of >>> Pharo for those projects that aren't making the effort now. >>> If you choose to leverage the benefits of the newer versions of Pharo, then >>> you must accept the cost, but you can pace yourself if the rate of change >>> becomes too much. >>> >>> Dale >>> [1] https://travis-ci.org/dalehenrich/metacello-work/builds/168940183 >>> <https://travis-ci.org/dalehenrich/metacello-work/builds/168940183> >>> [2] https://travis-ci.org/SeasideSt/Seaside/builds/160382244 >>> <https://travis-ci.org/SeasideSt/Seaside/builds/160382244> >>> [3] https://travis-ci.org/pharo-nosql/voyage/builds/167012791 >>> <https://travis-ci.org/pharo-nosql/voyage/builds/167012791> >>> [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_evolution >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_evolution> >>> >>> On 10/21/16 12:10 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 21.10.2016 um 04:00 schrieb Sean P. DeNigris <s...@clipperadams.com >>>> <mailto:s...@clipperadams.com>>: >>>> >>>>> Denis Kudriashov wrote >>>>>> I look at code and it seems you implemented another one new text model? >>>>>> Why >>>>>> you not use TxText? >>>>> >>>>> Argh. I know it's bad form to complain about gifts, but at the rate we >>>>> reinvent the wheel, I often fear that I will be retired from programming >>>>> before we have a sane text model :/ >>>>> >>>> It has a name and we should fight it: >>>> >>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here >>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here> >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Sean >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: >>>>> http://forum.world.st/ANN-Sparta-v1-1-tp4919394p4919570.html >>>>> <http://forum.world.st/ANN-Sparta-v1-1-tp4919394p4919570.html> >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >>>>> Nabble.com <http://nabble.com/>. >>>>> >>> >> >
