Hi, > On Feb 26, 2017, at 10:42 PM, stepharong <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Stef, >> >> I think you are saying that having the possibility of embedding the printout >> as a comment is useless. But, there were people that wanted exactly that >> behavior without breaking the syntax highlighting. Esteban was one of them, >> for example. >> >> And now we have Cmd+p,Cmd+p which does exactly what the old Cmd+p did. > > I was hacking on citezen in Pharo 50. > Now I have the impression that printIt is bogus. Its semantics is a hack and > it feels like > it each time you get to the limit. > We would have the same bgus behavior if we would have > printAsGraphicsRepresentation. > Now we overuse textual representation and breaks the underlying repl.
I agree that we overuse textual representation. For a long time we were conditioned by the fact that the editor was the central piece and that it only supported text. We will soon not have that limitation though. Let’s see what we can make of it. > Now what I see is that I have to edit by hand long boring stupid XML because > I cannot use printIt to get > a textual representation that is not trying to be too smart and failing on me. > Look for my remark on asLiteralOn: I am still looking for it, but I did not find it yet :). Doru > Ste > > >> What is missing? >> >> Doru >> >> >>> On Feb 26, 2017, at 10:33 PM, stepharong <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> To me it looks wrong and it breaks flow. The poor guys working on XML >>> should just suicide with such >>> behavior. You can never print anything decently. >>> I think that the tools are hijacking printString and turn it into something >>> mega strange and bogus. >>> I cannot even use plain Pharo code to survive. >>> copyReplaceAll: '""' byt: '"' >>> >>> Stef >>> >>>> Hi Stef, >>>> >>>> Just a clarification. >>>> >>>> The mechanism you mention is obtained through Cmd+p, Enter and this embeds >>>> the printout as a comment in the existing editor. This is particularly >>>> useful when you want to keep a trace of multiple executions in the same >>>> editor (typically a Playground). In order to make any string a valid Pharo >>>> comment we use String>>asComment, and this escapes “ (double-quote) inside >>>> a comment. Without it, the result would not be a valid comment and the >>>> syntax highlighting would be broken. >>>> >>>> For your goal of having the result in the debugger this is obviously not >>>> ideal. This is why we ended up with Cmd+p,Cmd+p, but this is not available >>>> in Pharo 5. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 8:30 AM, stepharong <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yuriy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why does it make sense to have "" "" inside strings? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So if you paste this as a comment somewhere you don’t have to manually >>>>> add double double-quotes. >>>>> >>>>> Did you read my example? >>>>> I do not need any double double quotes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don’t use the result of print it at all, but I guess there are two >>>>> scenarios for it’s usage. One as you described: copy the result and use >>>>> it in tests or in some further computation. >>>>> >>>>> But this is exactly what I cannot do with this stupid doubling of double >>>>> quotes >>>>> >>>>> (but if you use TDD test are already written ;P). >>>>> >>>>> well... >>>>> >>>>> Another one is to copy the result and paste it somewhere as a comment in >>>>> your code, to access it easily afterwards. If you have a double quote in >>>>> your result it will break the comment, so the thing is escaped >>>>> automatically. >>>>> >>>>> Probably but here this is inside a string. >>>>> I think that this heuristic is totally bogus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Uko >>>>> >>>>>> On 23 Feb 2017, at 22:25, stepharong <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thnkas gabriel >>>>>> I'm hacking in an old Pharo 50 image and it was terrible because printit >>>>>> even a copyReplaceAll: '""' byt: '"' >>>>>> did not work. >>>>>> I do not understand what is the scenario to double quote comment >>>>>> character " >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand single quotes but not double quotes. >>>>>> stef >>>>>> >>>>>> Try doing Ctrl+P twice. It will not comment the printed string. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:17 PM, stepharong <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> about quoting ;( >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a string >>>>>> >>>>>> '<li> >>>>>> <span class="author">Stéphane Ducasse and Damien Pollet</span>, >>>>>> <span class="title">Fingerprints</span>, <span class="journal">Journal >>>>>> of Information System</span>, <span class="year">2010</span>. >>>>>> </li> >>>>>> ' >>>>>> >>>>>> and when I do printIt in the debugger I get the following >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "'<li> >>>>>> <span class=""author"">Stéphane Ducasse and Damien Pollet</span>, >>>>>> <span class=""title"">Fingerprints</span>, <span >>>>>> class=""journal"">Journal of Information System</span>, <span >>>>>> class=""year"">2010</span>. >>>>>> </li> >>>>>> '" >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not get why we doublequote the character " >>>>>> inside string. >>>>>> >>>>>> It means that I have to remove all the " inside to string to be able to >>>>>> express tests. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> www.feenk.com >>>> >>>> "Innovation comes in the least expected form. >>>> That is, if it is expected, it already happened." >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the >> right one." >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Yesterday is a fact. 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