Hi, Athens is part of Pharo and the priority is to make it work for Pharo. If there are other users of such a core technology, they should be the ones adapting.
@Alex Syrel: could you please take a look at the latest commits from Athens and clarify their state? Cheers, Doru > On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Stephane Ducasse <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Nicolai > > Athens is important for us too. Now none of us in the team has the > experience in Cairo. > Users of Athens usually do not want to invest understanding it either. > > I tried to create the conditions that Igor could stay in the > communautee but it failed > because alone I could not do it. > > Now Athens is what is in Pharo. I have no idea of the rest. > > Stef > > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Nicolai Hess <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> 2017-07-26 16:25 GMT+02:00 Stephane Ducasse <[email protected]>: >>> >>> I imagine that hot-fixes means when we found a serious bug in the >>> alpha version and see that it is also in the previous version. >>> >>> Now Hilaire if you want a change to be integrated in Pharo and Pharo >>> 60 for example. >>> >>> - we should have a bug entry on fogbugz (you see when I read the >>> emails I do not see the bug entry >>> so I have to look for it and lose time - because crawling the bug >>> database is tedious, so this is a lot more efficient to send also bug >>> entries). >>> - we should have a fix. >>> - it should be tagged for Pharo 60. >>> - it should be validated (pass the tests). >>> >>> Each time we introduce a fix, we may break sometimes so we pay really >>> attention to have >>> limited fixes with limited impact. >>> >>> For the ones you mentioned: >>> >>> - I cannot find the PNGReader bug entry. I read all the mails of the >>> thread. >>> So this is not efficient. >>> >>> - https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20166/ is there but there is no >>> fix so we will have >> >> >> The problem with fixes for Athens is, that nobody could tell we what the >> current state is. >> >> http://forum.world.st/current-athens-configuration-td4914441.html#a4914488 >> >> the latest changes are from alexej and I guess they are important for sparta >> and the further development for bloc/sparte for pharo 7/8 >> We can not just take the latest version and put it in pharo 6, and hope that >> it will work. >> We need for this external package a good communication about changes and >> versions. >> This did not happen here. And I am not sure if we maybe already put some >> changes in pharo 6, that are not at the athens repository. >> I once considered athens as an important package for the new pharo ui, but >> the way it is handled now looks more like abandoned. >> >> that is the reason why I just put the fix for 20166 in the comment of the >> bug entry instead of providing a slice / or update the version on the >> repository. >> >> >> It is ok if we tell hilaire to not just put bugreports on the ml but create >> a bug report on fogbugz instead. So people can fix/provide a slice and run >> the validation. >> But this happend in this case. It is just that we do not get it right to >> handle this case because it depens on athens. >> >> >>> >>> >>> People are nice and trying to help now everybody has its own agenda >>> and we set these "rules" >>> to avoid that we all lose time. If you want that people help you then >>> try to adhere to such best >>> practices. >>> >>> Follow the Pharo process. >>> >>> Stef. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Hilaire <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> It is the other minor bugs fixes details which were missing. >>>> >>>> What is hot-fixes? >>>> >>>> Hilaire >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Geo >>>> http://drgeo.eu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com “Live like you mean it."
