On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 16:57, Shaping <shap...@uurda.org> wrote: > You also had personality differences and disagreements which developed > over years. Eventually the Pink plane community forked and created Pharo. > The foundational community of Squeak (Blue plane) did not want to make the > changes the Pink plane community wanted or required. > > What are the specific changes that Squeak folks don’t want to make? > > Squeak/Pharo is a configurable environment. We can still have a quasi-OS > world if we want that. What specific aspects of the analytic and creative > experience break or degrade for Squeak users with these specific changes, > and also cannot be preserved by loading the right Smalltalk packages? >
> At a minimum, not until the Squeak community could build Squeak from a > Pharo kernel image. Then it would be possible. But I don't think likely. > > What are the specific problems? Anyone? > I'm mainly focused on Pharo but I respect the Squeak heritage and monitor their mail list, chipping in when I can - so I have felt comfortable sharing the general philosophical differences between Squeak and Pharo as I understand them. But as to specifics, you'd probably need someone from Squeak to pair-review the Pharo changelogs [1] with you - and that might not even capture everything. [1] https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-changelogs But lets also consider something at least as important as all the other points... "resourcing". Assuming all technical and political issues were dealt with, who will do this reintegration work? Assuming You were at a point where you were familiar with both platforms to be capable of doing the work, would You be willing to put aside your other interests to do at least 50% of that work? Because otherwise discussion around it with the idea that others do it is pointless. :) Note, last year I personally did have the inspiration and intention of investigating the differences between Squeak and the Pharo Bootstrap to understand the possibility of Squeak bootstrapping off the Pharo Bootstrap, so there might one day they might have a common non-gui system - but other interests ended up having a stronger hold on me. Realistically its not something I'll get to any time soon. cheers -ben
