Hi Stef
I'm interested why you think this blog would scare people from
Smalltalk? As it happens though, it's obviously aimed purely at
Smalltalkers: It's difficult to start such a discussion without
letting it out into the world for people to see, I say.
I do not really understand what is the point of the Blog.
Of course it would be nice if we could have a better interoperability.
But I do not see the point.
Then since years we never got more people of different dialects
working together.
I'm actually all for open debate. Whether I agree or disagree with
the blog itself, I say don't hide such talk: if our community and
the language and tools are strong enough they will survive in spite
of such debate, or perhaps even because of it.
Finally: is it always more difficult to build than to clean? I think
it's easier to build crap than to clean: building something good and
*keeping it that way* is the really difficult part.
:)
Squeak is a perfect case in point: so many good ideas, but buried in
mounds of cruft that this effort (Pharo) is trying to strip away.
Once something has become crufty, it is really, really hard to clean
up.
We know we did that for years and we are doing it. Still I always have
present that building is still difficult and I respect what other
people build.
But this respect does not include that I will not judge the quality of
a work.
Cheers,
Simon
ps.
Bob Martin proposed adding a fifth line to the Agile Manifesto:
"Craftsmanship over Crap" (ie, favouring the former over the
latter). I couldn't agree more, it's a way of thinking I try to
apply all the time.
A nice one.
On 20 Sep 2008, at 21:14, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I think that this is not like that that he will really bring
smalltalk back.
Concertation is equals to death. Have a look at Squeak.
Stef
PS: a good friend of mine once told me: "do not shit where you eat"
and I keep that in mind
even when cleaning squeak. I know that this more difficult to build
things than to clean them.
Still I would not let this blog out there because it will not
produce anything positive, just scared
more people from Smalltalk.
Hi all - as I said in my subject, I've already posted this on
Squeak-Dev, but I thought those on here who don't subscribe to
that list might be interested, too:
http://www.robvens.nl/en/blog/The-Smalltalk-Trap.html
Cheers,
Simon
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