Hi antony
By professional we mean: clean and robust, Of course we would like
to have a good layout and UI. But someone has to do it. :)
What is also important is that people get the fredom to invent new
things and that pharo keeps making progress even at the price to be
incompatible.
I have slightly different goals. I'm less concerned about cleaning
up Squeak to start with, more concerned with making something that
is commercially focussed, with support, that is packaged to allow it
to cross the chasm. To that end I don't care about breaking
everything that I don't intend to support, so my refactoring can be
quite aggressive.
Yes I understand. (We are doing the same for a lot of experimental code.
For the release 1.0 we want to remove etoy + friends + bookmorph )
Our goal is similar except that we know that we do not have the
workpower to offer support.
Now some guys approached us to know if FFI and other stuff would be
maintained / improved in Pharo because they would like to port
VSE software. So clearly this is not something that we can offer but
we would love if a company would offer this service on top
or aside of pharo. We have no problems with people making money with
what we are doing: in fact this is a goal that people can make money.
I'm focused on Traits + OmniBrowser.
Ok.
What is your business model: offering a better IDE?
Because we could buy it. I would love to see some real offer, because
we are buying all kind of software and I would love to
be able to buy some code software that supports our second main
activity (coding - first one is writing papers).
My reasons for attempting a commercial development is to generate a
revenue stream that ensures continuity of development, so that it
doesn't become abandonware. I'm planning for a situation like
MyEclipse. I can support this project for at least a few years
without revenue.
Do I guess correctly that you would like to sell a IDE for "Squeak"?
I do not know myEclipse.
If you would base your effort on Pharo we could also integrate your
refactoring
Is your code free?
Yes, that code is. I haven't explicitly licensed it yet.
Let us know when you know and if you want to share what can be shared.
Now may be you could join gary effort with polymorph?
My ongoing efforts are commercial, so it's probably not possible.
And I've got a very definite architecture in progress already.
Did you check the way newspeak does it with hopstoch
I was working on a dynamic document-based model before hopscotch was
demonstrated, so yes. I have a background in structured document
editors, which is what motivates me.
Excellent!
What do you mean by new packaging. We are thinking about a module
system but for milestone 4 or 5 (one year or two from now).
My packaging/modularity project is called MirrorImage - some details
are on my blog. It works with VW, although I haven't really released
it because there wasn't much interest, and in any case VW is the
wrong community for such proposals.
:)
MirrorImage is a reworking of how classes are defined. In particular
it uses a DSL approach to system construction that allows classes to
be incrementally constructed, with contributions from different
'Projects' that can be prioritized with dependencies etc based on a
configuration algebra. Such contributions can be more that simply
adding vars and methods (ala GST) - you can delete/add/transform/
shadow any part of the code model (ivar/cvar/methods/traits etc).
Transformation is useful for changing the way traits are integrated
into a class you want to change.
Sounds interesting.
Traits also have an interesting interaction with system construction
from a pragmatic perspective because they act as a conceptual
delimiter, although that may be less interesting once I don't have
to rely on the completely braindead method-category string prefix
model of packaging. My #1 dislike in Squeak.
Welcome :)
Can you bootstrap the kernel?
Not yet, I was about to do that when I decided to switch from VW. I
will bootstrap the Kernel using the same technique that Lisp systems
use to bootstrap.
I would really like to have a bootstrap kernel so that we could even
manage the source with git :)
Once that works it will also be the tool I use to cut out the stuff
I don't intend to support.
One which version of Squeak are you based?
I started with the Damien's 3.10 dev packaging, although I'm
thinking of switching to Pharo as a base.
You are welcome.
Our goal is really to get rid and improve a lot of things.
So if you can share some parts we may be in a win-win situation.
Antony Blakey
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Nice quote :)
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