You raise good points but why don't you send this mail to squeak-dev mailing list ? It seems to me that' would be a better audience because you agree on "squeak goals / vision", and IMO this is precisely why people here forked squeak... I think Pharo is not Squeak II at all... but simply an open-source smalltalk that you can work and learn with (in the academic sense)...
2009/5/27 stepken <[email protected]>: > Hi! > > To make things clearer: > > License Problem: There is a community project with many former contributors. > They all gave away their code for a idea of a free to use smalltalk. > This now is renamed to Pharo by one of those contributors. Now some of those > contributors offer support for that platform. > > If i were one of the former contributors. Who should i accuse for license > infringement? Stef as one of the renamers? No. All other contributors? No. > > I have no idea, what person i could accuse. Who ever will be accused - Every > judge will confirm, that nobody is responsable. Neither for renaming the > project, nor for having contributed code. > > This is the problem for many companies, who own software patents. Free > Software ... there is nobody, they can claim for patent infringement. Linux > - who could be accused? Linus? No. Redhat? No. Novell. No. IBM? No. In what > country? What court is in charge, in what country, what town? Anybody knows. > > So the free software community gives a shit on software patents, rights > infringement. IBM is laughing at all hostile lawyers. They can prove in > front of court, that all ideas in Linux have already been there in one of > their former operating systems. Nothing new. And Linux becomes more and more > popular. > > BSD, GNU, License...who really cares? Richard, yes. But not in case of > Pharo. All open source. So, theoretically seen, question of license is > important, practically not. > > You want to offer commercial software pakets with NDA? Closed Source? With > RUNTIME-Licenses? Oh, yes. Very successful business models of the past. Not > for the future. > > But - i can tell you, who will be suffering. Cincom. They are will be under > pressure by Pharo. You will have to scramble the image, like many commercial > Smalltalks do, to prevent disassembly. > > One of the great advantages of Squeak is, you can find code for everything > in there. Even for sending SMS over Nokia mobiles. Ok, far from being > perfect. But it worked once upon a time. That code you removed ... bad idea! > > >From Pharo I expect: > > Well defined compatibility to other smalltalks. Porting seaside, > databases,... networking code from other smalltalk dialects should be > comfortable. > A well defined and documented GUI, Tutorials, showing, why Morphic is far > superior to MVC, MVP. > Well defined interfaces in Pharo. Ok, what's a interface in a neural network > of sending objects? > Internationalisation. Chinese, Japanese, German, Spanish, Portuguese, French > ... Where are the 'language files' for hobbyists to begin with translation? > Block closures, Traits. > Who cares about a Jitter, wenn it does not run on all platforms. Use LLVM! > Times have changed! Think of china, asia as market. They have godson > processors. (MIPS), no Intel, never!!!! > Working database interfaces for mysql, postgresql, db4o, oracle, db2, goods, > magma ... Tutorials, like that from HPI on seaside. Video tutorials, like > Dolphin has. > Stability. (no hanging GUI when i click on the right upper button to change > window colour). > Renaming back to Squeak or Squeak II. The name 'Squeak' is better known, > already introduced in the world. For Pharo you would have to spend money and > much efforts for advertising. Wrong idea. Why? Go on reading. > ONE Etoys with a nice look. Look at OLPC Etoys. Looks horrible. > Reunification with Scratch. > Tutorials for GUI Programming for Smalltalk beginners on Squeak II > Bringing printing of Morphic canvas, fonts, text to work. > Bringing that mass of lost packages back again into Squeak. Build up a > system of "maintainers", like Debian has. > Well organized 'request for help' database. Precise job offerings. > Percentage metering. > I want to know exactly, what i could contribute. Wheres is the roadmap, the > plan i could understand as 'newby'? Programming, hacking around in smalltalk > is not the problem, i need the idea of the ongoing restructuring process, > the defined interfaces, e.t.c. > Involve HPI, MIT, HP, IBM, APPLE, GOOGLE, NASA ... former contributors, make > them invest into Squeak, into the future of our children. Squeak was and is > an very important international educational project. You can collect > millions of $ for international educational purposes for our children > worldwide, but no money for a additional commercial smalltalk. > Bring those OLPC people to mention the name Squeak in the sense of a great > educational community project in their project. > Learn fundraising. Collect money, much money to drive that development > process. Ever heard of a PAYPAL Button on homepages? Affiliate sytems, Link > exchange? Official Sponsorship. Patronage. Sponsors want to know, where > their money is going to, into what projects within Squeak II. > > And a BIG BANG. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Cédrick _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
