On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > I'm all for trying things like this, but have my reservation about > replacing a good text editor; adding alternatives is fine, of course.
paragraphEditor is not inline with what we coudl expect from a paragraphEditor nowadays. Now building one is far from easy. > > Are you going to be in Orlando for OOPSLA? No > I do not have funding to register, but live close enough that it > would be a shame not to meet up on a free evening for you. Not only > would I enjoy meeting you and others, but I would like to give you a > brief tour of Dolphin's IDE (such as its definition/code/comment > panes) and a few goodies that I have found helpful. There are some > simple changes we could make that would greatly enhance the > usability of the browsers and other tools. Events or announcements > added to the tools would enable extensions like those that can be > very effective in the Dolphin IDE. I would welcome an opportunity > to demonstrate some simple changes that would help us. what you could do is a video :) Stef > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected] > ] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions > and popup > > I agree. :) > I would love to have that. > this is why we should really have a system to experiment these ideas. > > Stef > > On Sep 12, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > >> Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> well for this we will have to rewrite paragraphEditor :) So in >>> making >>> pharo moves forward we will have to accept losing some feedback. >> >> The feedback is still there. The piece of code is still marked as a >> problem. It just doesn't get in your way. >> >>> But yes your idea is cool. >> >> You'll have to do more than that. I think this whole 80ies style >> browser that's based on scrolling, clicking and popups doesn't cut it >> anymore and adding more tabs and buttons isn't gonna fix it. >> >> Example, why is the browser the size it currently is? Because that >> was >> more or less full screen in the 80ies. Consequence you'll always have >> to resize and scroll when you open a browser because the category and >> class panes are too small. I see how this was cool, exciting and new >> in the 80ies but today it gets in my way. >> >> Example, I want to go to a method in a class. Either I click '-- >> all--' >> and scroll, scroll, look, scroll, scroll back or I click through the >> protocols until I found on it. When I'm in Eclipse and want to open a >> variable or method declaration I hit Ctrl + O, Eclipse shows me a >> short outline of the class. Like in Firefox Awesome Bar it filters >> the >> list as I type part of the name. Once I select something it closes >> and >> goes there. Zero mouse activity. Zero additional window. When I'm >> in a >> method and want to go to a method invoked there either I Ctrl + click >> it or I hit F3. When I want to see the hierarchy of a class or the >> inheritance of a method I just do Ctrl + T and an inline window >> opens. >> It closes when I select something or hit Esc. Pharo stacks so many >> windows on top of each other that you're never going to find your way >> back. So at the end of the day you just close dozens of windows. >> >> Short anecdote, I our current project we don't ask the user for >> confirmation, ever. If he decides to delete Migros, we do it without >> asking. The previous version of the product did but users just >> developed a reflex to click popups away without even reading them. >> >> And don't get me started on breakpoints. Or blocking the UI. >> >> Cheers >> Philippe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
