Mariano,

Actually, I bought a laptop for two reasons: (1) they "went and got cheap" 
while I wasn't looking, so there was absolutely no reason for me not to have 
one at these prices and capabilities; (2) to put Ubuntu on it so I'd have a 
Linux box with me.

The bottom line: a segmentation fault.  I saved the text to a file and will 
check it for anything that I dare not release (passwords, etc.) and then can 
post it if it will help.

There has been no debug log that I can find, at least not associated with these 
crashes - like I said, they're ugly.  The two worst things, IMHO, that a 
computer can do are freeze, and a close second is to simply quit w/o saying why.

Understood about a bug in ODBC, but that does not explain why the earlier image 
has no troubles.  I might have not loaded things correctly, maybe there is a 
new version of the package that breaks something.  However, Pharo should give 
me some clues vs. just rolling over and disappearing from RAM w/o a trace.

Respectfully, I do think it is a Pharo/FFI problem, if only that something can 
crash it so easily and completely with no diagnostic data.

More to come, and I like Indian food, so if I have to eat crow, I'd appreciate 
a good hot vindaloo :)

Minor disagreements aside, THANKS for your reply.  The command-line idea was 
very helpful (I should have thought of it, and will next time).

Bill


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From: [email protected] 
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Martinez Peck
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Ugly crashes in 09.09.3 - any ideas?



2009/10/2 Schwab,Wilhelm K <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
I moved my code into 09.09.3 web, and it is crashing badly - the vm just dies, 
no indication (that I have found) as to why.  Reminds me of working in C on 16 
bit systems  =:(


If you are in Linux, run it from command line so that you cansee the output on 
it ?  If you are in Windows, you can see the dump file ?.

what about the PharoDebug.log ?

By sneaking up on the crash, I see that it is quitting when asking 
ODBCConnection to connect.

Please, don't understand me wrong, but probably you have a "bug" in your ODBC 
driver. I have A LOT of segmentation faults while developing SqueakDBX. And 
ALWAYS was mine problem (wrong order of calls, or whatever) or an OpenDBX (ODBC 
C library in your case) problem.

I don't think it is a FFI or Pharo related problem.

  At one point, just inspecting a handle is enough to blow away the vm.  
Suggestions would be appreciated.  I might set up a new image with just ODBC to 
try to reproduce it.


Yeah. Take a clean and latest PharoCore and try to load it there.

Best,

Mariano

Bill



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