Hi Mariano, I also agree with you.
Cheers, Doru On 4 Jan 2010, at 09:24, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Please, don't say "NOOOOO!" immediately. Read the mail carefully, > take a deep breath and think cold. > > After working a couple of weeks in the Metacello configurations and > now with Damien's scripts to build Dev and Web images, I came to the > question: Do we really need a PharoWeb image? > > I will give just my opinions of why having PharoWeb images is not a > good idea anymore > > 1) First of all, I don't like the PharoWeb name. Because it is not > Web in general, it is seaside. So, in my opinion, a better name > would be PharoSeaside. Maybe even new comers may think that the only > alternative is seaside. You know I have nothing against Seaside and > that I even use it several times. I would like to see AidaWeb images > based in Pharo too. > > 2) Why to still have PharoWeb images if now Seaside images (at least > the one click) are based in seaside ? In addition, when I develop > in Seaside, I use Seaside images, not PharoWeb, and I think most > people do the same. > > 3) Seaside images (or Lukas images for seaside) are MUCH more stable > than the PharoWeb images. Why? Several reasons: > 3.a) THEY know the dependencies of the packages, the versions, > how to set up, the order of load, etc, NOT us. THEY are the experts > in seaside, not us. > 3.b) THEY really test their images before make then public. > 3.c) We are "force" to release one release per month which has no > sense. How says that Seaside is released once a month? That's bad > because it means we are usually taking unstable versions. THEY know > when a release should be done and when a release is stable or not. > > 4) Now I created all the Metacello configurations for the PharoDev > image and I took me a lot of time. Because I am not the developer of > any of those projects. So, I need to understand the dependencies, > the order, the versions, etc. But why ??? If Seaside people have > already done that, don't duplicate efforts. > > 5) The instability of PharoWeb images give to our public a bad > impression. We waste all of out efforts of Pharo in that image. > > 6) The idea of Pharo is to be the vehicle. And that's exactly the > Pharo role in the Seaside images. We don't need to build PharoWeb > images. > Even more, do we build PharoGlass images ? NOOOO. Why not ? Because > Dale already prepare them and as HE knows much more about Glass than > us, his images are better for Glass. > > 7) Tracking and managing issues always take time. Even analyzing a > bug, say "we won't fix" and close it. With PharoWeb images we are > having those kind of issues. > > 8) Our resources are limited. Why not to use them in more important > stuff ? For example, building a better and more robust Dev image? > > > > Here is my proposal: > > 1) Completely remove the idea of PharoWeb image. Remove the links > from the website and do not create Web images any more. > 2) In http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download add a description > explaining that now Seaside images are based in Pharo, so you can > directly download that image. We can even explain a bit about > seaside, and even if you want you can put a href called "PharoWeb" > which links to the seaside image. However, I would rather call it > "PharoSeaside". > 3) Tomorrow we can have AidaWeb images based in pharo (please > Janko!!) so we can just do the same and put the link to those images. > 4) You may notice that Seaside images are a bit "different" than our > Dev images. This is mostly due to the preferences, the theme and > maybe some tools (ECompeltion instead of OCompletion, etc..). So, > what I suggest is to prepare a little script that can be > downloadable and those people who want a Seaside image but more > "similar" to our Dev images, just run that script. > > > So...what do you think? I would really like to hear your opinion > about this. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
